On 17/04/2021 10:28, Robin wrote:
On 17/04/2021 10:06, nightjar wrote:
On 17/04/2021 08:01, Tim+ wrote:
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 04:42:47 -0000 (UTC), jon wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:46 +0100, Broadback wrote:

Lots of post on them but what do they cost

How is the government going to recover all the fuel tax, when the the
majority of vehicles are electric.

Tax electricity instead.


Unlikely.Â* Too many people bordering on fuel poverty as it is at the
moment
and no way of differentiating consumption.Â* More likely an NZ style
mileage
tax.

I would be surprised if electric vehicles do not have an inbuilt
ability to detect when they are on charge and what rate they are
charging at. If so, the means to measure their electricity use is
already there and just needs to be output.


But involves a challenging job of data and then tax collection; and
loses the chance to incentivise reduced and off-peak travel by car.

Plus nerdy issues - eg if you take your EV to Italy, and France and
Italy (or the EU as a whole) have similar taxes.

I hope that they go for a straight electricity used tax or a straight
mileage tax. Effectively a direct replacement for fuel duty. I do not
agree with varying the rates at different times, in different areas,
etc. as it simply penalises those that have little choice about where
and when to travel.

The majority of those in work are typically restricted as to when they
can travel and of course where from and to. Their only choice then
becomes mode of transport. Car sharing can work, but many people start
and finish over a range of times, need to stop off at places on the way
there or back or need to be able to rush off at zero notice if they get
a call from school or a dependent relative; buses and trains are very
limiting in their timings, routes, etc.; bikes are no good for those
physically unable to use them, who need to carry things, who need to
arrive fresh and dry or who ned to travel longer distances (perhaps by
motorway).

I have the "choice" of car (20 minutes each way) or train/bus (1-1/2 to
2 hours each way ... allowing for them not connected to the times I need
to arrive and leave, connections between them, etc.) Not using the car
would simply mean having little time to get anything done in the
evening, to spend with my family or to go out. Life would just turn into
a constant round of getting up, going to work, coming home, cooking and
cleaning, going to bed ready to get up early the next morning. That's no
life.