On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 17:24:33 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 15:34:09 +0100, JNugent
wrote:
On 12/04/2021 06:31 pm, T i m wrote:

whisky-dave wrote:

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Back on the words / spelling thing, I am reminded constantly (TV and
ITRW) how many people *say* 'anythinK' but I wonder what percentage of
them would write is like that?

That's not a spelling error,
I didn't suggest it was, quite the opposite in fact.

But the English langauge changes and evolves with time.
The word fag goes back years and it's meaning has changed over time and countries.
Accdents also change the way people say words, and that doesn't mean those same people
spell them differently too.
This come come from parents, friends, those around them or TV.
I'm pretty sure that in TV scripts where someone is speaking in the north of England
might well see the words "all right love" or "alright luv" or "arite duc.
This doesn't mean the scriptwriter deosn;t know how to spell the words even if he is a notherner.

It's your translation that is faulty here.

just a quirky regional pronunciation.
I'm not sure I've seen any sign of that, other than maybe from people
from poorer areas who may not have enjoyed a good education, maybe
over several generations. That's often where I hear the 'we was' and
now the 'anythink'.

Are you sure it's not just sounds that you fail to properly understand.
If I say to a friend "alright mate ?".
You shouldn't translate this to be "Are you feeling tickity boo my old fellow ?"


I
still know lots of people who would say that it that way but would
always spell it correctly.
Any that you are close enough to to ask *why* they pronounce it that
way?

For the same reason a swedish friend sounded swedish until she spent a year at the university of birmingham
studying English and sounded like a brummie when she returned to London.

A clever perons will adapt in order to communicate with those around them.
A think **** like Boris Johnson will quote in latin to try to elivate himself above the masses
only the really stupid would think that makes him cleverer than anyone else.



I have a mate who can easily 'lock in' a miss pronunciation of
something, if he reads / hears it incorrectly the first time. Like he
currently refers to the home automation software as 'Home Assist',
rather than 'Home Assistant'.

To me it just sounds like a shortened version.
I wish they'd shorten the pointlessly long emails we get here and just say what they mean
rather than waffle on.


And when young my parents corrected me if I ever said 'we was' and why
it seems so strange that so many people also seem to get that wrong?

Yes that is weird.

And it's so commonly used in conversation so comes up pretty
frequently.

Very common in the counties around London.
In the 'old days' they employed / expected people 'on TV' to be able
to speak properly, 'BBC / received pronunciation etc.

Yes true, and they expected peole to right with the correct hand which was the right hand.


I get that might not be so relevant today with all the inclusion stuff
however I think they do at least need to use real words and
pronunciations?

What about words like **** , what does that mean in the queen RP ?


Ok, I get some people will use Tautologies ... "3am in the morning
..." or use the wrong names for things because they have only heard
others using them incorrectly ('Robin Reliant') and more cultural like
'aks' instead of 'ask', but where did the hard 'H' in 'aitch or
anythinK come from?

No idea where did teh i before c excapt after e come from when it is clearly mostly wrong.
and as for shakespeare he couldn't spell to save his ****in' life.
There's loads of word he spelt diferntly to what we do today and I'm prettyy sure the pronounciation
wasn't the same.



Cheers, T i m