On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:56:47 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

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The production of foie gras is so cruel and horrifying that it has been
banned in 16 countries. ... Many birds have difficulty standing because
their engorged livers distend their abdomens, and they may tear out
their own feathers and attack each other out of stress.

And that's *exactly* the situation with chickens. That's why they cut
the tips of their beaks off ... because they are used to being in
social groups (flocks) of 100 or less as they can recognise a maximum
of 100 and so become comfortable which birds are part of their flock.
Put them with more birds (thousands) and it causes stress and they
start pecking at each other ... so the farmer fixes that by damaging
their key sensory organ and life tool (beak), just to stop his
commodities from damaging themselves out of frustration (for the
position the farmer has put them into)?

They also have many vocalisations so talk to each other.

They are forced to grow so fast their legs often break because their
legs can't take the weight as they haven't grown as fast as their
bodies (or 'meat' as some see them).

The egg layers would typically lay a clutch of eggs and around 10-15
year (not 300). Except as soon as they lay one we take it away,
causing mental stress.

But force feeding a bird with a pipe to make it's liver bigger quicker
to then kill it to eat said liver is considered by you / Fredxx as
being cruel, but effectively forcing animals to grow faster with high
protein foods (with the associated problems that causes) in unnatural
conditions that cause massive stress and be killed quicker is
perfectly acceptable? Is it that mental stress can't be seen and so
not considered by some but a broken beak can?

It all seems pretty illogical to me. ;-(

Cheers, T i m