On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 12:25:31 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:
On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:59:23 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:03:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:36:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:18:46 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
knuttle on Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:45:40
-0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Considering what construction lumber is going for these days, it is all
less than premium.
Today's 2x4 that goes for $8 is the same quality as last years $3 2x4.

Tain't the cost so much as I don't need pristine, organically
grown, faire trade, each tree individually selected and harvested by
druids in a sustainable manner, hand selected by virgins "perfect"
lumber. I just want "board, 2"x4"x96", one each" etc. Something
grade three or below.
I tend to go check Home Depots "mark down cart" - 70% off. Yes,
that's a major defect. OTOH, there is 7 feet of board without the
defect, and I can cut the two pieces I want out of it. "It will do."

Do you have a Restore (Habitat for Humanity) near you. Some have a lot
of lumber, at usually a good price.
I do, and I have, and I've gone broke saving money.

OTOH, they don't always have the size I'm after. Which brings me
back to my first query: what happens to the less than Premium Grade
hand selected gluten free vegan lumber? Shirley, it can't all be
getting sent to the PRC?

I guess I don't know what you mean by less than Premium Grade lumber.

What I mean is that if I go to a web site for a lumber yard, big
box store, whatever - I am assured that what they offer is the finest
premium lumber. Perfect for Your Home Project! And their prices
reflect that. Great.'

Um, when was the last time you saw the "finest premium lumber" in a
lumber yard or BORG? I think I remember my father talking about
carrying it out on the backs of unicorns.

Bizzzt!

Read closely: I did _not_ say they _have_ the finest in Premium
lumber.
I said they _Advertise_ having the finest in Premium Lumber. (No
doubt harvested by Elven Druids and hauled out of the woods by teams
of Unicorns lead by Leprechauns.)

Except I am not looking to build beautiful furniture that I can
pass along to the children, grand children and the antique
auctioneers.

When was the last time that you saw furniture grade lumber in a lumber
yard? Before the last ice age? ...or was it before the big asteroid?

In my youth. Of course in those days it was felled with stone
axes ...

Which is all beside the point.

I know that there are lesser grades of lumber, I'm just wondering
if there are retail outlets handling it, or do I have to search for a
sawmill and order a "unit"/ pallet load?

Nah, just go to the BORG. They have lots.

Even the Premium Grade lumber at most home centers is less than Premium
Grade.

Deceptive Advertising is SOP.

"Deceptive"? It seems that you're the only one who thinks lumber
yards are in the business of selling furniture grade lumber.

Sigh, I don't know why I ask these questions.

Do you know of a company which doesn't advertise _having_ the
finest in premium lumber?
And if one can't get furniture grade lumber at a lumber yard,
where does one get it?
Amazon?
Ebay?
One's own personal wood lot, inherited from ancestors who planted
the finest trees for future use by their woodwright descendents?
When I went to the local lumber yard years ago to buy cedar for my
front porch I asked to have a second bale opened up because what was
open was of pretty poor quality and had been pretty well picked
through. Bob the lumber man - who was a customer of mine said no - it
was all grade A cedar and I couldn't expect lumber to be "perfect". I
told him what he had left open was certainly not grade "A" - more like
"Grafe K" for Kindling. He finally relented and opened a new bale
rather than lose my business - for good.

And of course, opening a new bale is no guarantee that you'll get anything
better, especially if you don't use it quickly.
The new bale was dry - wrapped in typar and it was straight when I got
it home and used it. The open bale had been open for a few months or
so and had been rained on and sun baked - I try not to buy wood that
is not kiln dried

I once heard a rumor that some places actually *water* their bales to
keep the outside boards from drying out. That way they don't "spring"
(shape pun intended) to life when unbaled.

Nothing I ever bothered to verify, but I wouldn't be surprised.