On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 12:39:57 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message
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On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 3:07:37 PM UTC-4, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 1:54:17 PM UTC-4, Oliver George wrote:
https://www.infowars.com/posts/this-...-hoax-forever/

And you still cannot differentiate a credible source from pure crap.

Here are 12 important questions and answers before considering getting
vaccinated:


Q: If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?

Government: NO

Fine. Wearing a mask is not onerous.

Q: If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness
clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to
work like
normal?

Government: NO

I've been working unvaccinated all year. I'll be happy for everybody
at my office to be vacinnated.

Q: If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?

Government: Maybe. We dont know exactly, but probably not.

That's wrong. The effectiveness of the Moderna is 94.1%; Pfizer, 95%,
Johnson & Johnson, 66%.

Those are the numbers for avoiding serious
disease, not for getting infected.

That's wrong.
Nope, thats what the Phase 3 trials measured and thats
where those numbers came from. They havent measure
the effectiveness of preventing infection by the virus yet,
that measurement is being done now and we dont have
the numbers yet.
The effectiveness was measured by people being diagnosed
as having Covid, not for having serious disease.
Wrong, as always.

Just like always, just like Trump and Fretwell. Get it wrong and then just
keep doubling down on it. I read the Pfizer trial document that was submitted
to FDA for approval. The effectiveness number was not based on "serious disease".
It was measured on how many of the people who
were vaccinated wound up DIAGNOSED with Covid, regardless of the severity,
compared to the control group. It was ~95% effective in reducing the number
diagnosed with Covid. Further, other studies, eg Israel have confirmed that.
And if the metric is "serious Covid", then the effectiveness is even higher..




If the test subjects came down with Covid symptoms
they were examined by doctors and tested for Covid.
They did not have to present with "serious disease"
to be counted, only symptomatic Covid.
Wrong, as always. That may well be what your
media has told you, but its just plain wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#Efficacy


Thanks for confirming that you don't know WTF you're talking about. From your
own reference:

"The effectiveness of a new vaccine is defined by its efficacy during clinical trials.[140] The efficacy is the risk of getting the disease by vaccinated participants in the trial compared with the risk of getting the disease by unvaccinated participants.

In efficacy calculations, symptomatic COVID-19 is generally defined as having both a positive PCR test and at least one or two of a defined list of COVID-19 symptoms, although exact specifications varying between trials. "



Exactly what I said. It doesn't say what you said, which is that it's measured by reduction
in "serious cases". Further, if you look at the table, it says for the Moderna vaccine,
if the metric is "serious disease", then the efficacy is close to 100%.

Feel free to man up and admit you got it wrong, or continue to do what the losers do,
lie and deny.