On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 12:26:39 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 20:59:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/26/2021 8:28 PM, Fred wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote:
Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians
with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD.
That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't
need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars.
And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees
who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university
degrees didn't get them a "job"
And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to
school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored
vintage car.
I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a
new car though, an a lot of the other electronics.
That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists.
Some won't touch them.
The specialists do.
Oh, as in someone with training? You made my point. You no longer go
to Smokey's CB shop up the road.
Evidently you have not seen the complexity of these units and
everything they control.
Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the
used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and
sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault.
It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception,
connected services, modems, and more.
Yep, and thats part of the reason its specialists that do most of the
work.
Exactly, people with some training.
Where would you start looking for an error on the Automatic emergency
braking system?
Use youtube etc.
You still need some familiarity with electronics and how to find and fix
the problems. Few people will just look at a youtube video and figure
it out.
ANd there is so much total bull**** on YouTube too. ANybody can be an
"expert" There is a saying that sorting the goof information on the
internet from the bad is like sorting fly**** from pepper.
or the Lane Keep assist. How about lining up the cameras after a
windshield change?
You dont need 4 years of back to school for that
that wouldnt have taught you that anyway,
I didn't say 4 years, but some training is needed.
Some of the windshield companies will send you to the dealer for
calibration after they change the glass. Do you know how to do it?
Dont need to, get the dealer to do it.
If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now
have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are
investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it.
And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years
of formal training before you can work as a mechanic.
I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training
for their certified mechanics.
I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...tories..50030/
https://www.svtperformance.com/threa...tories.884065/
https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f7/j...tories-209317/
I could add quite a few more from experience - having been a licensed
automotive mechanic for almost 50 years. (just let my license lapse at
age 66)
Overall youtube videos are an excellent source of repair information in my
experience. They have saved me countless hours. Need to replace a window
regulator, for example? You can find videos showing where all the door fasteners
are and how it comes apart. Those are way better than even a Bentley manual
or the dealer service manual for something like that. I've seen videos where
you can change CV boots with half the work that you would have if you followed
the manual method.
But there are some examples of misinformation. I was looking at how to replace
the non-replaceable battery in a BMW key fob for example. There were very good
videos that were very helpful, I got it done. But I came across one video where
the guy said that they don't use rechargeable batteries, you can just replace it
with a non-rechargeable 3V coin cell battery. To prove it, he showed the ignition
switch area with the cover removed. He showed that there was coil of wire there
and he claimed that it was impossible that could charge the key fob battery,
that it was the antenna for the receiver. Wrong. That wire coil generates a
varying magnetic field that is coupled to a corresponding small wire coil in
the key fob and that's how they charge the key. A good example where some
science education, some basic knowledge is needed. Besides that it should
be obvious that it would be really bad to put a non-replaceable, non-rechargeable
battery in a key fob.