On Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:17:00 +1100, "Fred" wrote:



"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 2/26/2021 9:20 PM, Fred wrote:



Oh, as in someone with training?

Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area.

How did they learn?

By doing it, just like any decent mechanic does.

Came to them in a dream?

Nope.

You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road.

Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff.

Yep, they learned in a dream on night.

Nope, by doing it.

Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the
used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and
sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault.


Yes, one person.

Plenty more than one person that even I know.

It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception,
connected services, modems, and more.

Yep, and that’s part of the reason its specialists that do most of the
work.

Exactly, people with some training.

Still wrong, they don’t have formal training. they just specialise in it.

Where did they learn it?

By doing it.

Bull****. My mechanic mate hasn’t had any.

OK, a sample of 1 Very scientific.

None of the others I know have either.

If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now
have them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are
investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it.

But those operations don’t go back to school to learn how to do it.

They use the documentation that comes with it.

WTF do you think that is? A form of training.

Bull**** it is, just like it isnt with any appliance
or the car you buy.

And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years
of formal training before you can work as a mechanic.

I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training
for their certified mechanics.

And the best mechanics don’t need that.

Try running a dealership without it

I know one that has done just that.

I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car.

In fact I do all the work on my car myself.

Another sample of 1

Plenty of others do that too.
And we wonder why "STEALERSHIPS" have such a bad reputation -
particularly in the unregulated redneck states and why everyone in the
USA seams to be continually bitching about "mechanics" - because they
very seldom actually are dealing with a properly trained, educated,
cerified and regulated "professional" mechanic.

Even your "ASE Certified" designation is a bit of a sorry JOKE, by
and large.

ANd as for guys with no training working on their own cars - BOY,
could I tell you some stories!!!!! I've scrutineered at National
Street Rod meets -(and Historic Automobile Club meets) and some of the
DANGEROUS and totally illegal, STUPID and SCARY stuff you run across.
(I'm in southern Ontario - and we got a lot of cars from New York,
Michigan, Pennsylvania and other states (even Texas, Alabama,
Oklahoma, Florida, New Jersy - holy CRAP!! - and Washington State)
come up for the CanNats and other big shows - and BY FAR the scariest
stuff, was on American cars - some of them pretty fancy "high buck"
"restorations" and "hot rods"

A lot of them made the "road kill" shenanigans look professional -
We sent several vehicles back to the US border on trailers. Told them
"It goes on the trailer or the OPP will be notified and you do NOT
want them impounding the car and charging you for the offenses" What
they do when they get to the border is up to them - but they were NOT
going to be on Ontario roads endagering themselves and everyone else
on the road.
The sad thing is MANY of these vehicles came from states with
mandatory annual "safety inspections" performed by the very untrained
service station operators you claim need no training, qualifications,
or regulation!!!!!

ANd travelling throughthe USA numerous times I've run across
travellers who have had problems with their vehicles or rigs and have
been to numerous shops attempting to solve their problems - and I've
fixed them at the campground or on the side of the road in a few
minutes because I KNEW what to look for - what would cause the problem
- and it was SCARY what they had spent on things that didn't have a
CHANCE of being the cause of the problem.

A case in point was a little Winnebago LeSharo (Renault 4 cyl) who had
spent over $1000 trying to solve a rough running and power loss
problem - from Rhode Island to Florida to Arizona and back to Florida
and Georgia - where we met when they stumbled into the camp-ground- on
their way back to Rhode Island - and the whole problem was the new set
of plugs they had installed before leaving home - and replaced with
the same WRONG plugs and therefore ruled them out. (They had - the
wrong- Bosch Platinums installed and the compression seals had failed
in several of the plugs) - I put in the recommended AC Delco plugs and
they were on their way - got a note from them when we (and they) got
home saying it had NEVER run better - - - and the plugs were WAY less
than half the cost of the Bosch plugs.

Onthe way through Michigan on the way to the west coast, towing a
trailer with a 3 liter Aerostar we developed a HUGE transmission leak
while on the road. It didn't leak at all in neutral or idling in gear,
but as soon as you stepped on the gas it just FUMPED fuel. We were
towed to the closest ford dealer (Imlay City Ford) and I asked if they
had a front pump seal in stock - they did - so I went to the service
desk to see if and when they could replace it for me. They said they
needed to rebuild the complete transmission - $2800 and 2 fays - and
they didn't have the parts . I told them they had the seal and that
was all it needed - they said they could get it in at 1PM - the
mechanic said "That's a 7 hour job by the book" - and I told him I was
sure he could do it in 4 - and I'd make sure he got time and a half if
it took him past quitting time at 5:30. When he finished it at 5:28
and it didn't leak he was surprized!!!!!
He didn't position two of the plug wires properly when he
re-assembled it - which caused a problem that surfaced about 2 hours
later - but that's another story !!!!!