"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 2/26/2021 8:28 PM, Fred wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 2/26/2021 4:42 PM, Fred wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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On 2/26/2021 1:12 PM, Fred wrote:
Yes, I know many states do not regulate automotive technicians
with a mandatory licensing system - but they SHOULD.
That's completely mad. Anyone with real mechanical skills doesn't
need 4 years of study to do a decent job on modern cars.
And I know quite a few "mechanics" with university degrees
who went "back to school" to get a trade after their university
degrees didn't get them a "job"
And I know quite a few mechanics that never need to go back to
school to turn a pile of rusting metal into a fully restored vintage
car.
I know people like that too. Some could not change the radio on a new
car though, an a lot of the other electronics.
That stuff is normally left to car radio specialists.
Some won't touch them.
The specialists do.
Oh, as in someone with training?
Nope, those who choose to specialise in that area.
You made my point. You no longer go to Smokey's CB shop up the road.
Wrong, that is precisely who do specialise in that stuff.
Evidently you have not seen the complexity of these units and everything
they control.
Yes I have, and got an unlock code for one in one of the
used Mercs that a mate of mine buys off ebay, fixes and
sells for twice what he paid for them, by fixing their fault.
It isn't just a radio any more. Navigation, cameras, sat reception,
connected services, modems, and more.
Yep, and thats part of the reason its specialists that do most of the
work.
Exactly, people with some training.
Still wrong, they dont have formal training. they just specialise in it.
Where would you start looking for an error on the Automatic emergency
braking system?
Use youtube etc.
You still need some familiarity with electronics
But dont need formal training in that.
and how to find and fix the problems.
Not when you can use youtube.
Few people will just look at a youtube video and figure it out.
Any decent mechanic can.
Yes, they arent common.
I was given a box of bits that were the result of
one of the neighbour's kids disassembling one
of the bicycle epicyclic gearboxes that you dont
see on bikes anymore, before the internet was
even invented and was able to put it back together
as good as new with only a basic knowledge of
how they work and the wear marks.
And I designed and built on a bare block of land
the quite fancy passive solar house, again without
any internet without any formal training in house
building at all, just the library and walking around
in the evening looking at how houses being built
were done.
or the Lane Keep assist. How about lining up the cameras after a
windshield change?
You dont need 4 years of back to school for that
that wouldnt have taught you that anyway,
I didn't say 4 years, but some training is needed.
Bull****. My mechanic mate hasnt had any.
And the other one that me and a couple of other
mates helped move a pile of rusting metal to his
back yard which he turned into a magnificently
restored vintage car didnt either in mechanics.
Some of the windshield companies will send you to the dealer for
calibration after they change the glass. Do you know how to do it?
Dont need to, get the dealer to do it.
If the glass company does not have the instruments you do. Some now have
them, not all do. As the systems become more commonplace they are
investing in the equipment. Genesis dealers get about $125 for it.
But those operations dont go back to school to learn how to do it.
They use the documentation that comes with it.
And it still makes no sense for the state to require 4 years
of formal training before you can work as a mechanic.
I never said 4 years. But a competent shop today has assorted training
for their certified mechanics.
And the best mechanics dont need that.
I guess you don't mind these guys working on your car.
In fact I do all the work on my car myself.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...stories.50030/
https://www.svtperformance.com/threa...tories.884065/
https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f7/j...tories-209317/
There will always be incompetent fools in any area, even just changing a
wheel.