On 2/4/2021 2:43 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 10:53:08 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 2/3/2021 9:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 16:28:20 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 2/3/2021 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 09:07:18 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 2/2/2021 6:27 PM, micky wrote:
Drugstores to get vaccine starting next week.

Phase II


https://www.google.com/search?client...ting+next+week


Good try on that title.

At least one vaccine reduces spread.

"The vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca not
only protects people from serious illness and death but also
substantially slows the transmission of the virus, according to a new
study €” a finding that underscores the importance of mass vaccination as
a path out of the pandemic.

Researchers at the University of Oxford measured the impact on
transmission by swabbing participants every week seeking to detect signs
of the virus. If there is no virus present, even if someone is infected,
it cannot be spread. And they found a 67 percent reduction in positive
swabs among those vaccinated.

The results, detailed by Oxford and AstraZeneca researchers in a
manuscript that has not been peer-reviewed, found that the vaccine could
cut transmission by nearly two-thirds."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/u...3e91b65130eb97

It is interesting that we seem to be considering all of these new
vaccines equal when it is turning out they aren't. Once supply catches
up, we may be getting another round of the "good" vaccine, which ever
that one is for your particular circumstance and I still think there
will be an annual booster.

I also think "free" may go away after a while. Like any good drug
pusher, the first one is always free ;-)


So far, it seems the worst vaccine pretty much eliminates
hospitalization. I would not complain about that.

You have set your sights pretty low.
You are saying you are willing to get sick and spread the disease as
long as you don't die is all we need.
I would hope they come up with a better answer and if so we will be
having another round of vaccinations. That is all I said.
That also assumes the current vaccine works on the mutations we know
about and the ones we will learn about by summer.


Nonsense.

The current vaccines all virtually eliminate hospitalization. So for
vaccinated people, covid is no worse than a mild flu.

At least one vaccine has been shown to reduce spread of infection by at
least 2/3, moving us way closer to herd immunity. Other vaccines may
soon show similar results.

We have a better answer, and it is being vaccinated ASAP.

If another vaccine is needed, we have proven technology to develop it
quickly.

First you say no, then you say yes. Make up your mind.
It is clear this virus is mutating, as corona viruses do and it is
also clear the vaccine will have to change to address the mutations.
I still bet this is an annual ritual like the flu shot. They might
even come up with an RNA flu vaccine and it might get mixed into the
cocktail we call a flu shot, also dealing with that year's Covid.

Absent some serious side effects we don't know about yet, this RNA
thing might become a common defense against other diseases. It is a
novel approach against a novel virus but it might catch on.


"Heres my best-case scenario for the coronavirus pandemic: With
existing vaccines, we turn covid-19 into an illness akin to the seasonal
flu. The virus might still be around and infect people. Some who get it
might still end up sick. But covid-19 no longer leads to overwhelmed
hospitals and terrifying death tolls, and by the end of 2021, we can
resume much of our pre-pandemic lives.

Im optimistic that this can happen because of a specific result in the
vaccine trials that, so far, has received little attention. Much has
been made of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being 95 percent
efficacious in preventing symptomatic illness. Thats a terrific result,
but its not the most important one. Im not so impressed if a vaccine
can prevent someone from developing a sore throat or runny nose. I care
about whether vaccination means that people wont become severely ill €”
to the point that they require hospitalization.

On this front, outcomes from the Pfizer and Moderna trials are
extraordinary. In the Pfizer study, 170 participants had symptoms and
were found to have covid-19. Five people ended up hospitalized; all five
were in the placebo group. In the Moderna study, 196 participants had
symptomatic covid-19. Ten people were hospitalized; only one was in the
group that received the vaccine.

I cannot overemphasize this result: Out of more than 30,000 people who
received either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, only one person became
ill enough to be hospitalized.

This is the end point we should be scrutinizing with other vaccine
candidates. Consider the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, which is expected to
seek emergency-use authorization this month. (Full disclosu I am a
volunteer participant in this trial.) Some have already raised questions
about Johnson & Johnsons preliminary results, asking why people would
take a vaccine thats only 72 percent efficacious in the United States
when the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are 95 percent efficacious.

But lets look at the crucial measure of hospitalization. The results
released thus far show that the single dose of the Johnson & Johnson
vaccine was 85 percent successful in protecting against severe disease.
Crucially, not a single person who received the vaccine was hospitalized
or died.

This is particularly striking because this vaccine trial had a site in
South Africa, where nearly all the cases of covid-19 were due to
infection with the dominant variant there, known as B.1.351. When it
came to protecting against symptomatic disease, the vaccine appeared to
be less effective in South Africa (57 percent) compared with the United
States (72 percent), but it prevented all cases of hospitalizations with
the B.1.351 variant, too."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-coronavirus_1