On 21/01/2021 14:01, R D S wrote:
Another example.

We're fashioning a kitchen at work.
Gave my eldest son (recently turned 30) the tools and basic instruction
necessary to make a hole for a sink.

Much ****ing about later there's a sink in the worktop, on the wonk
slightly, too close to the back so that the worktop can't quite reach
the wall unless we severely *******ise the rear of the base unit. But it
will certainly do.

Positively I suggested that he had learned some pitfalls and gotchas so
that if he was to fit a sink again it would be easier and he'd do a
better job.

His retort was that he'd learned that if he needed to fit a sink again
and wanted a better job doing he'd get someone in. And i'm pretty sure
he was serious!

Keeps folk in work I suppose.

Tricky one. I suspect if you went through the planning exercise with
him, including positioning/marking of the sink and gotchas he may have
found the experience more positive. Instead of which he probably got
some veiled criticism.

Just my 2p

Always assuming he wanted to do it himself.