On 18/12/2020 11:47:38, Scion wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 00:17:02 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 17/12/2020 15:46:19, GB wrote:
On 17/12/2020 13:39, Fredxx wrote:

I think all lives matter equally, does that make me a racist?

Of course it doesn't, when taken literally.

However, the 'All lives matter' slogan has been adopted by racists, who
think that Blacks should accept their position at the bottom of the
heap without complaining. So, if you say "all lives matter", most
people interpret that as you meaning that black lives don't.

So the issue here is if you start a racist campaign saying only black
lives matter, then when someone says that all lives matter they are
assumed to be racist?

I think that is arse backwards.

There's no question that innocent black people are far more likely to
be shot by police in the USA than innocent white people. Hence,
whatever you call it, the BLM movement has a good point to make.

Interestingly, a USA study in police shooting target practice facilities -
the ones where cardboard cutouts spin round and the officer has to shoot
the perp and not the victim - showed that black targets, 'perp' or
'victim', were much more likely to be shot. The kicker was that black
officers had the same skewed hit rates (allowing for a margin of
statistical error) as their white colleagues.

It should make a point that white lives are also cut short by being shot
by the police. The fact it happens less doesn't make a white life less
important.

What is the biggest shame, if there was a campaign "all lives matter"
and was endorsed by the black community and those known to express views
to the masses, it would have gained far more support.

Black Lives Matter makes more sense if you think of it as "Black Lives
Matter Too" or "All Lives Matter, Even (Gasp) Black Ones".

The latter would be a better campaign, where equality is the goal and
the difference in terms of statistics and perceived prejudices highlighted.

The trouble is that in some of the cases where black suspects were shot
there was some possible justification in terms of self-defence, and that
statistics ought to include behaviour prior to arrest. It would be great
if the same people who support Black Lives Matter would support the
banning of hand guns.

And it's not just about the life itself, i.e. it being wrong for the
police to shoot black people dead, but the life being lived. It's saying,
it hurts when people notice a black man is walking towards them so they
cross the street to avoid them.

Which is down to perceived danger. Sometimes it is a good idea for the
effected group to understand how that perception came about.

It's saying it is not right that every day
you see people looking at you and noticing their expression change as they
judge you through their prejudiced eye. It's saying being stopped and
searched by the police ten times more often than your white friends starts
to wear thin.

I have more issue with this, and recall instances where blacks driving
nice cars were more likely to be stopped. I also recall a friend whose
in a mixed race relationship and you can guess who got stopped driving
their car most. I'm white and I've been stopped once in my whole life.

I have no idea what the stats are for finding a weapon during the stop
and search and how this differs among the races.