On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 1:24:26 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 09:47:18 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:45:13 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 18:45:02 +0000, marvin
wrote:

I just got my 17€� Grizzly saw this month and it says Taiwan. It does not seem to make much difference as this came out of an ISO9001 plant, and that speaks very highly for quality control. The saw was perfect in all respects. I could not be happier.
ISO9000 has nothing to do with quality. It's all about process. You
can make a crappy product, as long as you follow the process to make
it. ISO9000 = Make one crappy product then make them all crappy.

Perfect timing for a "poor design" discussion.

I loaded up my 2 month old Bosch dishwasher with a bunch of turkey dishes last night. Hit start,
closed the door and got nothing but a red flashing light. That means "Nope, I ain't going to start."
Normally I would hear a beep and the red light would be on solid.

No error codes, no indication of what was actually wrong. Standard reset procedures didn't help.

A bit frustrated, I closed the door a little harder and heard the beep, then got the flashing light. Well,
that's one step closer. I pushed the door in harder while it was closed, got the beep again, the light
came on solid and the dishwasher started.

OK, so I'm standing there keeping the door fully closed by hand and saying to myself "Do I really
want to stand here for 2 1/2 hours?" Nope! So how can I keep the door closed and at least get
through this load. I don't want to let go because the DW is working right now.

Then I realized that there is a cabinet directly across from the DW, about 3 feet away, door facing door.
I called out for SWMBO who took over the holding while I ran downstairs. I grabbed 2 towels, a 3'
length of 1x stock and wedged the wood between the cabinet and the DW, using the towels as
padding. Success! The DW kept running.

Then I went out on the web and did some searching. It turns out that the door latch has been an
issue with Bosch DW's for many years, across many models. The issue is that when you screw
the "safety tabs" into the bottom of the counter type, it bows the top of the frame and the door latch
may not fully engage. In many cases, like mine, things are fine for a few months and then the problem
shows up. The DIY fix is to put shims between the countertop and the DW frame right above the
latch. Shim until pushing up in the area of the latch doesn't produce any flex in the frame.

I did that this morning and the door is now latching and beeping with every close just like it was new.
We have a KitchenAid dual fuel oven/range. We just replaced the
element ($600). The night before Thanksgiving it decided to do the
opposite - kept heating forever, no thermostat control. No error code
but online troubleshooting sites suggested the motherboard ($1000).

The oven's electronics does have a habit of losing itself but usually
gives an error code. The troubleshooting guide says to p0wer off at
the breaker, wait 30sec, power back on fixes the problem. Fortunately
it did this time too. But an error like this to make a
troubleshooting guide?

Although my DW issue was more of a mechanical problem than
electronic/programming (this time) I have seen indications that
the 30 sec power removed reset doesn't always work for Bosch
DW's that have stalled mid-cycle. Indications are that they
remember where they were stalled and just power up at the same
spot, still stalled.


Kitchenaid, like Bosch, isn't exactly a "contractor grade" appliance.
But they are ISO9000!

Tru dat. Not only did I pay more than I really wanted to, I had to wait
over 2 months to get it. Very popular model + Covid related slowdowns.

To add insult to injury, when the appliance store finally called and told
me that my DW was in, I went to pick it up and found that the sound
insulation was ripped on one side. I asked for a different one but I was
told that all the other ones that came in with this shipment had already
been picked up or were out for delivery. I called BS, but they wouldn't
budge. "The damage is just to the insulation. You can take this one or
wait until late next week for the next shipment."

Knowing that nothing just rips on it's own, I peeled back the insulation
in front of the guy and saw a slight dent in the DW wall itself. I told him that
I'd wait for the next shipment. I also told him that if there were any further
issues, I'd be cancelling my order.

They called 2 days later and told me that they had one available. Imagine
that.