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On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 04:32:48 -0400, micky
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 23:09:00 -0400,
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On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder
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On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400,
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod
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Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after
what
Dr
Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert,
called €œa
very disturbing week€�.

€œI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right
direction,€� he said.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88

Then you hear from the chief dickhead:

€œTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€� Mr
Trump
told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €œa
historic
thing€�.

We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve
and
national bankruptcy.

You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an
intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in
a
given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people.

But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be
people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty
hospital
beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be
dying

The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down
those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them
all
medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected
comes from a different country or a different part of this country.)

Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final
goal.

In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US,
flattening the curve is really all we can expect.
This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines.
What do you think is going to work?
Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states
to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their
borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New
Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the
Infected States of America.

OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from
the constitution. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to
the state to prove there is a reason to hold them.
Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation,
there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Article One, Section 9,
clause 2.

Habeas corpus relates to the government holding someone. Not the same
as closing a national or state border. not saying there aren't issues
but it's not that. And the Reps in the Senate still don't understand
that masks work, so it's not likely they'll go stronger than that.

You can close borders, even state borders but if you are confining
someone without due process simply for lawfully crossing a border,m
with no evidence that they are even sick, you are setting a very
dangerous precedent.

How odd that Ellis Island didnt.

70 years ago we also had white only water fountains and cops didn't
have to have a warrant to tap your phone. Things have changed.

That hasnt, legally.

Saying the Congress and SCOTUS hasn't revisited immigration laws since
1954 when they closed Ellis Island is as stupid as saying there were
not close to 4000 drone attacks in Afghanistan.


They sure as hell revisited them in 1965.