On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:28:02 -0400, Clare Snyder
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On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:57:41 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 04:32:48 -0400, micky
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 23:09:00 -0400,
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On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder
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On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400,
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr
Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €œa
very disturbing week€�.

€œI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right
direction,€� he said.

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88

Then you hear from the chief dickhead:

€œTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€� Mr Trump
told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €œa historic thing€�.

We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and
national bankruptcy.

You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an
intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a
given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people.

But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be
people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital
beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be
dying

The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down
those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all
medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected
comes from a different country or a different part of this country.)

Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal.

In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US,
flattening the curve is really all we can expect.
This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines.
What do you think is going to work?
Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states
to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their
borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New
Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the
Infected States of America.

OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from
the constitution. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to
the state to prove there is a reason to hold them.
Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation,
there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Article One, Section 9,
clause 2.

Habeas corpus relates to the government holding someone. Not the same
as closing a national or state border. not saying there aren't issues
but it's not that. And the Reps in the Senate still don't understand
that masks work, so it's not likely they'll go stronger than that.

You can close borders, even state borders but if you are confining
someone without due process simply for lawfully crossing a border,m
with no evidence that they are even sick, you are setting a very
dangerous precedent.
You are stopping them from crossing the border because they pose a
risk. There is a pandemic. You need a law like we have here - that
requires a quarantine period. We are not saying you have to be locked
up. We are saying IF YOU WANT IN you will quaranine for 14 days, and
if you agree to quarantine for 14 days AND YOU DO NOT you can be fined
up to $750000 and jailed for up to 6 months. It's ALL VOLUNTARY.
Nobody is saying you have to cross the border You can stay right
where you are - and do whatever you please (or whatever the law where
you are requires you to do.)

You say you are heading for Alaska from Montana, and then loiter on
the way in Alberta? You are Lying to the Canadian Border Service and
breaking immigration law which requires you to traverse directly to
Alaska or quarantine for 14 days.

Nobody is saying you have to quarantine IF YOU TRAVERSE DIRECTLY -
but if the provision keeps getting abused you MAY soon need to
quarantine at the border BEFORE being allowed to enter.

We would be setting a MORE dangerous precedent just letting you in.

If I go to Alaska again I will traverse Canada at 33,000 feet or
higher.