trader_4 writes:
On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:33:52 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:15 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:50:13 -0400, Frank wrote:

On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)


I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco.

Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs:

https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701

Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended
consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on
ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper.

Most environmentalists have given up on Ethanol as being their dream
fuel. The ecological costs are too high and Brazil is the poster child
for this. We see a microcosm of this here is South Florida where we
are blaming sugar for all of our water ills. Granted most US ethanol
comes from corn instead of the sugar they use in Brazil but our corn
crop is far from benign too. The latest boogie man is Glyphosate but
there are also concerns about the GMO frankencorn Monsanto has a
strangle hold on.


Even that great god of the left, Al Gore, has said it was a mistake.
Big agribusiness like ADM greased the palms of both parties to put in
the oxygen mandate. Industry found they could meet the mandate cheaper
with MTBE but then it was found that if gasoline leaked into the soil
then aquifers that even 1 ppb of MTBE made the water taste bad and it
was banned.


And of course you pointed that out and spoke out in opposition when Trump
increased the ethanol mandate, right Frank?

Yeah, or one that was signed by GWB back in 2007?