As far as I know, you will have to build your own or hire someone
to create them.

The first one you mentioned is known as a stress skin panel. The
other system is totally self designed.


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"Jo" wrote in message
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I've seen (on home improvement shows) shelves that hang with
hidden
brackets (ex: Mount a 2x4 onto a wall and slip the shelf over it
and
secure from top (obviously, the shelf is about 4" thick). I've
also
seen (again, on TV) shelves that look like you screw supports
into a
wall (short tubes?) and slide the shelf over them and secure.

Where can I find something like this or do I need to build my
own?