On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:05:31 -0500, Clare Snyder
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 04:34:46 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
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On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 12:01:39 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:32:55 -0500, J. Clarke
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:09:29 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:46:13 -0500, J. Clarke
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:59:16 -0500, Clare Snyder
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:27:43 +0000, Spalted Walt
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Clare Snyder wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:48:02 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2020 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:17:02 +0000, (Chaz of
Canterbury) wrote:

Could you blokes explain to me how the bloody hell
these Ben Hur death-chariot wheels are legal on
Texas motorways?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIjMgDHFFgk

Driving with the boot lid open as well?
Do the constables simply look the other way?
Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not
be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out


No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in
Houston.
Placarded for over-width???
Definitely illegal.
Defionitely unsafe

They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.

https://abc13.com/archive/7699639/

https://www.khou.com/article/news/exaggerated-tire-rims-swangers-are-they-legal/285-567542949

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLRVdADj8Og
a PH.D gives the history:

difference between 83's & 84's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbb_R18OIo






FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or
wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular
regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's
efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench
as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell
the original spinners after 1968;

What GM vehicle ever came with knock-off hubs?

The 'Vette, for one. and fake knockoffs were pretty common in the
fifties and sixties
the same thing happened to all
service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners -
the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round
emblem that attached to the center of the cover

According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL
Law

Federal motor vehicle standards govern manufacturers of motor
vehicles, not end users. You can call the FBI or the NHTSA or the ICC
or whatever agency you think may have jurisdiction but don't expect
more than a polite brush-off from them.

Modifications that go against federal motor vehicle safety standards
ARE illegal - whether it is enforced, selectively enforced, or not
enforced doesn't change that.

Cite the statute if you believe that.

"Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this
title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not
manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for
introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States,
any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after
the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under
this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies
with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under
section 30115 of this title."

Note the wording there. They're relying on the Commerce Clause for
their authority--if you aren't selling it it isn't commerce.

So you think those abortions are not sold?????

"This section does not apply to€”
(1)the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for
introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor
vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment
in good faith other than for resale;"

In other words it doesn't apply to the purchaser.
It's still illegal to sell the crap. Which tends to indicate it is
illegal to buy and use it, I know you libertarian yanks and rebs like
to bust every law you can get your minds around - if itisn't
SPECIFICALLY prohibited it's fair game.


"tends to indicate"

That's a pretty strong argument. Akin to...

might, maybe
kind of, sort of

It's illegal to sell homemade wine, but you can use it
It's illegal to sell a counterfeit handbag, but you can use it

The law related to the selling of a product doesn't automatically make
(or even indicate) its use illegal. There would need to be specific law governing the product's use.
Wll here in Ontario you can't sell a vehicle with them on it as a
roadworthy vehicle, and if you get caught with them on the road you
WILL be charged. Furthermore if you get involved in an eccident where
property damage or bodilly harm results from their presence you WILL
face severe penalties - like assault with a dangerous weapon, or
dangerous vehicle operation, or quite possibly dangerous or careless
driving. The officer will throw enough charges to be sure at least one
will stick

So WHAT? Ontario, in case you missed the memo, is not now, and has
never been part of the United States of America, so anything that goes
on there has no relevance whatsoever to the laws of the United States
of America.