"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 2 December 2019 16:08:50 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 30 November 2019 11:46:44 UTC, tim... wrote:
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On Friday, 22 November 2019 12:07:25 UTC,
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On Friday, 22 November 2019 11:53:57 UTC, whisky-dave wrote:
I guess we'll just have to wait for finger print access to such
things,
should be too long, suprised I haven't seen such a thing on
dragons
den.


I believe that fingerprint readers can be fooled with either a
latex
impression or a dead finger.

Some devices can the cheaper ones. But why are we seucuring the door
from
others is the important thing here, and it;s not like no one has
ever
gained access without the correct key to any place, it;s just what
effort
you need to take to eliminate such a thing and in most cases I doubt
many
people carry a dead finger around with them, or have access to the
latex
and a suitable finger.
Face recognicion is another option, I've heard in the USA they are
looking
into guns that can only be fired after face recogniction has been
used.

implementing "owner" recognition for gun triggering has been
considered
by
military for at least 20 years.

But only recently had the technology become cheap enough and small
enough.


It all fails to solve the scenario of what happens if trouper A needs
to
"borrow" the gun of (dead/incapacitated) Trooper B in hurry, in a
battlefield scenario

No it doesn't.
It just needs a little thought like dual access bank accounts.
But it does depend on what you mean by in a hurry.

I can se NO reason why a face or finger print must only be for ONE
person
/ ONE gun.
You could have everyone in the platoon have their face recorded as ID
for
every gun.

Be interesting to see how the best of it handles camo face paint etc.
Likely
fine.

easy enough to do.

Not with your scheme of only letting the white men use the gun.

Yopu do know they use measuring
point sand not just the way you look.

Yes, but that would be a problem too cos
you want the gun to be useable even after
a face wound. Pretty ****ed if you find that
your gun stops working just because you got
wounded in the face but can still shoot back.

Measuring the distances between the eyes and the nose
and other features and the iphone makes use of an IR LED.

My face varys lots, because I havent been silly enough to shave
for decades now and let the beard get quite long before I mow
it back to a stubble with a hair trimmer. Not clear how even the
best of the iphone facial recognition handles that.

It won;t need to, in the armed forces you don't
get the ooption to look the way you want to.

Corse you do with plenty of them, particularly
with the long ops out on patrol etc and in a
**** hitting the fan retreat.

Read some of the Rhodesian memoirs, its nothing
like some prissy little barracks operation.

I'll have to
try sometime because Apple has given up on fingerprint sensors
now, mainly so the full screen is available for the image that
you are viewing. But I only upgrade my iphone when it has
something that I need so unless it gets lost or smashed it
will likely be a while. While in theory I could buy another
of the same as I have, in reality they dont sell the largest
memory versions anymore with the discounts of what I
have. I have a 256GB and would hate to go back to a
32GB now.

you don't have to the iphone11 can be bought
with 256GB and the 11 pro with 512GB.

But those only have facial recognition.

I mostly use the difference for videos and
automatic podcast updates and the photos of the
garage sale ads in the paper that I might get around
to OCRing so I can search sometime.

does that really take up so much space

Too much for a 32GB phone.

movies can.

Yeah, thats the other one, when you want to have
pirated movies on the phone for the longer train trips etc.

I have huge numbers of ebooks on mine, but if I wanted
to be able to watch what the PVR has recorded, even
256GB is getting a bit tight with the other stuff.

At the very least you could have a 4 digit number override, and
everyone in theat platoon get the 4 digit code for the day/week.

Wouldnt like my life to depend on how well that can
be remembered when the **** is hitting the fan tho.

you wouldn't have to, it'll be timed reset a bit like entering
the code for yuor phone but with more options.

Corse everyone would have to have remember the current weeks code.

At least 5 of my friends know my 4 digit code
for my ipad which is the same for my TV box.

Sure but that isnt changing weekly

you don't need to chnage it weekly.

You just said you do. And in fact said daily too.

and they dont
have to remember that when the **** is hitting the
fan very spectacularly indeed and they will die if
they dont manage to remember it. Much lower
risk of one of the enemy getting close enough
to grab one of your platoon's guns and using it
except with some of the more extreme situations
like in Rhodesia or Mozambique in the past or
Chad today.

But that is not how modern warfare will be.

It is in fact precisely how modern warfare is, in Chad right now.

It won't be like WWI with hand to hand
combat grabbing your oppenents gun.

It is in fact just like that with guerrilla warfare today.

I'm betting even harry could design a systenm where
every gun can be operated by anyone with a white skin,
but if someone with a black skin picks it up it won't work.

Trouble is that they wear camo on their faces.

Not a problem with proper face ID that uses eye and nose data.

But a problem with your white man black man scheme.

some conflicts like Rhodesia a substantial number of
the platoon were in fact black even with the white side.
And in fact they had small groups disguised as terrorists
to **** over the real terrorists/'freedom fighters'.

doesn't matter you could deactivate by location.

Nope, because the gun grabbling happens in the location
where you want to be able to shoot it yourself if it isnt grabbed.

Do you really think it's beyond us to design a gun activation systemn
that can be operated by more than one face or one finger print ?

Corse not but it remains to be seen how well that works
when the **** is hitting the fan very spectacularly indeed.

Yes and it's partially sorted already. And has already be called the smart
gun.

But no one is actually stupid enough to use those in
guerrilla wars or even have the cops with those either.

And with armed cops with the perp grabbing the gun from
the large footed goon and using it on the large footed goon.

you'd have inteligent sensors and machine learning that would detect
that a gun has been forcable removed from a person and deactivate it.

Cant see the cops debugging those in the real world.