On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 02:06:51 -0500, micky
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 1 Dec 2019 00:07:03 -0500, Hawk
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On 11/30/2019 10:11 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:49:09 -0500, Hawk
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On 11/30/2019 1:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/30/2019 09:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 11/30/2019 10:26 AM, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/30/2019 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2019 11:57 PM, micky wrote:


Please face forward and hold the handrail


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50606015

similar:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ourt-1.4908212




I won't use an escalator any more.* Power went out once and I got
stuck on one for over an hour.* Terrible experience.


You should hire one of those lawyers who advertise on late night TV.
A few million might ease your trauma.


Hire the one suing McDonalds for the guy complaining about them
cooking their veggie burgers on the same grill they use for those made
with meat.

Or the one who helped the lady sue McDonald cause she spilled hot coffee
on her lap and burned herself.

If you dig into that it's not as stupid as it sounds. The old lady
boiled her snatch, spent 8 days in the hospital, had skin grafts, and
was in rehab for a long time. She asked for $20,000 to cover the medical
expenses and McDonald's offered $800. Then it was off to the races.

I disagree. It sucks for the woman, but if people don't have the common
sense about hot beverages, it's not the fault of anyone else.

It was McDonalds's fault You probably dont' know all the facts. No
quotation marks for the quotes below:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...stella-liebeck
basically everything people think they know about the McDonald’s hot
coffee lawsuit is false.

In the decade before Liebeck’s spill, McDonald’s had received 700
reports of people burning themselves. McDonald’s admitted that its
coffee was a hazard at such high temperatures. But it continued the
practice, enforced by official McDonald’s policy, of heating up its
coffee to near-boiling point.

Liebeck didn’t want to go to court. She just wanted McDonald’s to pay
her medical expenses, estimated at $20,000. McDonald’s only offered
$800, leading her to file a lawsuit in 1994.

After hearing the evidence, the jury concluded that McDonald’s handling
of its coffee was so irresponsible that Liebeck should get much more
than $20,000, suggesting she get nearly $2.9 million to send the company
a message. Liebeck settled for less than $600,000. And McDonald’s began
changing how it heats up its coffee.

So how did the public’s view of this case get so warped? According to
Conover, lawyers spent years running a disinformation campaign, which
much of the media bought into, holding up the McDonald’s coffee lawsuit
as an example of a supposed epidemic of frivolous lawsuits.

https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts

https://segarlaw.com/blog/myths-and-...t-coffee-case/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebec...7s_Restaurants
Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her actual
and anticipated expenses. Her past medical expenses were $10,500; her
anticipated future medical expenses were approximately $2,500; and her
daughter's[15] loss of income was approximately $5,000 for a total of
approximately $18,000.[18] Instead, the company offered only $800.



Some of the frivolous suits start when a large corporation stonewalls.
They have a flock of corporate lawyers sitting around picking their
noses so it doesn't cost them much to bulldoze John Q.

If they settle due to the fault of the user, then when does it stop?

Doesn't apply here


John Q 1 through 1000 will also sue because they can get a settlement.
The systems is already effed because the courts allow stupidity as
legitimate.


IMO, I still have no sympathy. Coffee, hot chocolate, tea and other hot
beverages are "HOT".

Not that hot.

Maybe it's my fault for leaving out part of the facts on that.

McDonald’s didn’t just serve their coffee hot– their operations manual
required that is be served between 180 and 190 degrees; 30-40 degrees
hotter than other coffee-serving restaurants in the area. The Shriner’s
Burn Institute in Cincinnati issued warnings that coffee served above
130 degrees was “dangerously hot.” McDonald’s knew that their coffee
was “not fit for consumption” at the temperature it was served because
it caused third-degree burns within 3-7 seconds of contact with the
skin. In the ten years prior to this accident they had 700 complaints
of burns from their coffee, including complaints of burns to children
and infants from accidental spills.


(Or maybe it's your fault for not reading the posts I gave, or
concentrating on editorials you like. Or maybe you're just callous.
Wait until something like this happens to someone you care about.)

Drinking a hot beverage and driving is risky
enough, setting it between your legs increases the risk. Tough nookies.
She isn't owed anything for her stupidity.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...457-story.html


How hot is your coffee? Probably hotter than you think.

Last month, an Albuquerque, N.M., jury awarded $2.7 million to a woman
scalded by McDonald’s coffee--an amount reduced this week to $480,000 by
the trial judge.

The jury blamed McDonald’s for continuing to sell coffee at a
temperature the company knew could cause burns. Evidence showed
McDonald’s coffee was hotter than that served at other restaurants.

Perhaps in Albuquerque. According to our admittedly unscientific survey,
at least one Burger King and one Starbucks outlet serve coffee hotter
than McDonald’s. We found temperatures ranging from a low of 157 degrees
at Primo’s, a small chain of coffee shops, to a high of 182 degrees at
one Downtown Los Angeles Burger King.

This one is just betting nothing will go wrong. There are lots of
negligent places like this, not just regarding coffee.

And McD's excuse was that it should still be hot after people drove to
work. Here they are already in downtown. How long does it take to walk
to work from there.

In the Albuquerque case, it was disclosed that McDonald’s brews coffee
at 195 to 205 degrees and holds it at 180 to 190 degrees.

If you conduct this temperature test at home, you may find similar
results with your own coffee.

Have you done this?

According to the Assn. of Home Appliances
Manufacturers, brewing temperatures for coffee makers range from 170 to
205 degrees.

And not meant to be carried in a moving car.

The coffee industry is loath to turn down the heat, despite potential
liability for burns. The Specialty Coffee Assn., whose members include
coffee roasters, retailers and restaurants, says coffee tastes best if
brewed at 195 to 205 degrees.

Maybe, but it doesn't have to be kept as hot as it is. They can let it
cool before selling it at the drive-in window.

Ted Lingel, executive director of the association, said members are
discussing other safety measures, such as printing warnings on
cups--already a practice at McDonald’s--and using spill-proof lids.



Keurig brews at 192F

How do you get the cream and sugar in.