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Why can't I find a heat pump with a good SEER rating?
The USA has a law stating 13 minimum. Yet here in the
UK, I looked at Panasonic and they're all 7 to 11!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season...ficiency_ratio

That doesn't explain why Panasonic (which are good aren't they?) are
manufacturing a product which is not much better than half as good
as
the
minimum required by US law. Is it old **** they're selling to other
countries because the Americans aren't allowed to buy them?

The higher SEER rating costs more and you lot don't need the
higher air conditioning capability in your summers where you
lot start whining about a heat wave when its only 25C

But they get used for heating here too,

Those by definition have a much worse SEER
when heating because the outside freezes
up in the conditions you lot have in winter.

Yes, but I'd expect the best SEER rating to be quoted if they only quote
one.

and will be a lot more as houses built after 2025 cannot have gas
boilers
by some stupid EU treehugger law.

The UK will be out of the EU by then.

But we might end up keeping the stupid law.

Yeah, could well do given you lot have
your own stupidity with electric cars.

What stupidity would that be?

Mandating a move to them on some date in the
future that I am too lazy to check because there
is no chance that that will even happen then.

I'd not heard of that. Are they banning the sale of petrol cars by a certain year? There are a handful of electric cars around here but not many. Probably less than 1%. There are electric charging points in a few of the public car parks, but not many. I see the odd charging point in people's driveways, but they're few and far between.

Tho you stupid hairy legged cross dressing haggis
gorgers may well be back in the EU by then.

I ****ing hope not, that stupid SNP woman was told no once.

But clearly doesn't care and is demanding another.

And presumably another until she gets what she wants.

Shouldn't be allowed. The vote should have been binding for x years.

Politics doesn't work like that even with general elections.

No reason it couldn't.

I'm already seeing new houses with heatpumps installed.

Sure, but the SEER for heating is always much worse.

But can still work out cheaper than gas.

Sure, that was just a comment on your original
about why you see what you see with SEERs,
not saying that it isnt worth doing that way.

The SEER for cooling is always higher.

Yep because you never see the icing problem
with cooling and the temperature difference is
lower even here were 45C isnt at all uncommon.

So common then. Bloody double negatives. I had to cancel those out to see what you meant.

Hang on. 45C to 20C is bigger than say 5C (your colder winters?) to 20C.

This is the one the USA is presumably making laws about, as they use them
for AC a lot.

Yeah, its really the only viable way to do cooling
unless it's a very low humidity area where you can
use what the call swamp coolers which just have a
****ing great fan and woodwool pads with water
running over them. That's what I use myself, but
its very common to have single digit humiditys
here when you need cooling.

Aren't those liable to cause disease? and where do you get the cool water from? Aren't you constantly drawing water form the mains, which is short in Australia?

MUCH cheaper to run than an AC.

It's also (since it's higher) the one that the company would quote,
surely?

Normally, but that may just be a quirk of SEERs
and not seen with EERs which should quote both.

I think from the specs here (click "specifications"): https://www.aircon.panasonic.eu/GB_e...er-silver-r32/
They're quoting SEER and EER for cooling, and SCOP and COP for heating.

I'm not saying this one's any good, it's just the first one I spotted. I'm not buying one for a few months until I've built the room it's going into, so I haven't done much research.

If my place wasn't passive solar by design
I likely would have a heat pump myself.

Your house is entirely heated by the greenhouse effect through windows?

Not just the greenhouse effect, the sun comes
right inside the house in winter and heats the
massive great concrete slab directly as well.

That is the greenhouse effect. Heat gets through the glass inwards, but fails to leave again.

And in winter I bask in the direct sun I sit in too.

I thought all you Aussies worried about the ozone depletion bull****.

Don't you ever get a few days in a row with no sun?

Not very often at all.

*******.

And I have what the manufacturers
call a heated throw which is like an electric blanket that you
have on top of you in the armchair or couch for those days.

Isn't that inconvenient? Unless you spend hours sat doing nothing.

Not because of any ban on gas, we arent
stupid enough to do that, but because the
gas price has hiked very dramatically here.

Yip, price should always be the deciding factor, it sorts things
automatically.

But can be a big problem over time. Lots converted
their cars to dual fuel here, gas and petrol, but there
is no point in doing that anymore now that the price
of the gas has hiked so dramatically over time here.

I converted one of mine, and bought another already converted. Both blew the engine. I will never use gas again, unless it was designed to use it by the manufacturer. My current car actually has a GPL light on the dash (which I eventually found out is the backwards way first way of the French writing LPG). So I assume you can buy them with that option fitted.

As stuff becomes scarce, cheaper alternatives are found.

Not always, sometimes its just stops being viable anymore.

Whatever, we adapt and do something else.

I don't have gas connected to the house but
it is available down the street if I want it.

Thought you loved cooking?

Nope, I'd much prefer to never have to do it again.
I only do it to get a better result than I can buy.

Many cooks seem to prefer gas.

Yes, but not for the sort of food I prefer to eat.

Almost all the food I eat is done in a digital air
fryer now except steaks and pizzas. I don't stir
fry much at all and do all the veg in the microwave
except the stuff eaten uncooked like lettuce.

Are you taking about heating or cooling ?

I want it for both. It's not clear from the Panasonic I was looking
at what mode the SEER applies to.

That must be spelled out on there somewhere.

It isn't.

Bet it is.

Go here and click specifications:
https://www.aircon.panasonic.eu/GB_e...er-silver-r32/

It will be somewhere else with an operation like Panasonic.

Find it then.

Too lazy because I don't plan to buy one.

You could do it to prove a point.