On 28/09/2019 21:57, Steve Walker wrote:
On 28/09/2019 19:15, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 18:18:48 UTC+1, Steve WalkerÂ* wrote:
On 28/09/2019 16:28, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:41:37 UTC+1, Bill WrightÂ* wrote:
On 28/09/2019 13:30, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Johnson-green


How will it be enforced? You build a house and have a gas cooker
installed. You don't install a boiler. When the planners etc have all
****ed off you install a gas boiler.

What will the approved alternatives be? Surely not oil! Electric
will be
far too expensive.

Basically the greenies are trying to take us back to the stone age.

Bill

Well sfb it's very simple.Â* In the end there will be no public
distribution of gas, it will be going to highly efficient power
stations.
(There's no point anyway in having gas to your house for a gas
cooker alone.)
Gas boilers will be no longer for sale.

So what will happen to existing housing, that is not well insulated and
cannot easily be so, when the existing boiler fails? How many people
will be able to afford to bring their house up to standard and purchase
and install a ground source heat pump - especially within a couple of
days when the existing system fails?

Homes will be heated using heat pumps. As are quite a few around
already I notice.
And they will have much higher standards of insulation.

Where is this insulation going in an existing house when the boiler
fails and the only replacements are heat pumps?

We have a staircase, kitchen, bathroom and boxroom against the end wall.
We cannot fit insulation on the inside, as the stairs would be
uncomfortably narrowed; the gap between the doorway and the wall in the
boxroom does not allow any loss of space (above about 10mm) without not
being able to fit a wardrobe and desk, that cannot be in any other
position, as they'd then stop the bed being in there at all; equally the
bathroom cannot lose space, as it is tiny and needs every inch.

Putting insulation on the outside would not fit in with the surrounding
housing; would require pipework to be re-arranged; would require the
roof extending and the guttering moving outwards; and would narrow the
driveway past the house making access impossible - I have already had to
take cars that I needed to work on or to store off road while my wife
was ill and could not drive through, with less than 1" clearance on each
side, with the mirrors folded!

SteveW

They will have bigger heat pumps.

Ah, so even more expensive and unaffordable to the average householder,
especially as an emergency purchase.

How many weeks or months to get someone to come and prepare the ground?

As a larger pump, needing more input power and running on expensive
electricity, it is going to push ther bills up even more, when many
cannot afford it now.

SteveW

But Boris has promised we'll have fusion power by 2040 so they will
produce "electricity too cheap to meter". I think I've heard that phrase
before.