On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 20:51:27 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 22/09/2019 19:30, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq wrote:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 18:18:32 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 22/09/2019 17:29, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq wrote:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:23:33 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 22/09/2019 12:37, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq wrote:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 06:25:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/09/2019 02:56, Fredxx wrote:
On 17/09/2019 13:14, TimW wrote:
On 17/09/2019 11:50, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Andy Burns
writes
harry wrote:

26 Reasons for Leaving the EU.

[snip list]

https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong

I'll be interested to read our Brexiteers views on the above.


Brexiters don't even care if it's true or not. Just as long as they
can be shouty, angry and win. it's populism, it's nationalism, it's
post-truth politics.

Only a remainer would say something like that.


The irony is that that is exactly what remain is - post truth politics.

Just as long as they can be shouty, angry and win. it's populism, it's
nationalism, it's post-truth politics.

Only in this case its the EU representing the national entity.

How many people waving Jacks on the streets? How many waving EU flags?

Leave DID win.

Really?

I seem to recollect that winning involved a gain of some kind.
Throwing balls into jars in a firground for instance got you a stuffed
toy. Not a lot of use really but it didn't involve you losing your
rights, losing your right to be represented by parliament on the whim
of a lying unelected dictator.

Winning didn't involve losing trade agreements that a considerable
amount of the workforce depended on for jobs.

Leave won nothing. Leave gave away their rights, their democracy and
their credibility in the world.

If winning involves only a fraction of the Yellowhammer outcome,
Gamblers anonymous must be entirely populated by winners.

AB


That is a very selfish attitude.

However, if you must see some 'win', then how about the no longer being
associated with the duplicitous EU?

Actually I am still associated with the EU. Out of choice I might add.
The EU worked well for me and most other people in the British isles,
so what you suggest might be a win, I see as a loss.

The paltry pathetic offerings provided in place of what I once had are
an insult.

Duty free and a blue passport??


Funny, I didn't mention either passports or Duty Free.

You stated a win being disassociated from the EU. I do not see it as a
win for any normal person. Those trying to fiddle tax are in a
different situation and the EU is not for them.

So for the average "Joe" in the UK, his "win" is a blue passport and
the ability to buy duty free.

The blue passport has no value and isn't made in the UK anyway. It
could have been blue if "Joe" felt strongly enough to ask for one.

Duty free always was a ripoff, with most vendors trying to optimise
profit in place of the duty anyway. Guess what, the fantastic "Duty
Free" win is another government con. They apply the duty initially, so
they are giving away nothing.


You seem fixated with Duty Free.

No I'm not. I don't buy duty free even when available.

The only reason it came up is that it's one of the two cons that are
being hailed as benefits of leaving the EU. The "win" remember?

Buying duty paid in the EU is a far better deal. I regularly travel to
France etc and stock up on returning perfectly legally- cases of wine,
not the odd bottle.

Yes, practical. You can say goodbye to that :-)



As I said, the UK educational system was never up to much.


Yawn...



I often travel outside Europe, the duty free isn't worth the effort.

You seem to think it is significant, you mentioned.

It was more satifying to get my Jamesons, Chateuneuf and Laphroig from
Asda when I got home. As for the blue passport, I tried to get a
refund for my British tat, but the shysters wouldn't play ball. If you
look at the small print the security chip has no warranty, so it's
£70-00 for a replacement if that goes. It does go frequently too.

Of course I do have a proper EU passport now, which at least provides
me with some self respect crossing borders.

Clearly not, you seem to need to convince yourself by telling use about it.


Actually I did get several comments when flying into Cork at the
outset of Brexit. It was disbelief then and it is pity now. The only
other expression is of concern over the impact on trade.

With the whole of the EU to trade with in a frictionless manner, I do
not think the UK's departure will be a problem for long.

I'm sure it won't. The EU export more to us than we do to them. They
need the trade. I was in France when the Russians stopped importing
fresh food, the French weren't happy- the shoppers were but not the
producers.

'Twas doom and gloom in Ireland when the beef stopped flowing to
Russia too.

There was still a brisk trade and a resulting price drop in the shops.

There is a downside, the farmers are not happy.

Dashed unusual what?? :-)

AB