"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 20/09/2019 12:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/09/2019 11:48, nightjar wrote:
On 20/09/2019 11:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/09/2019 09:29, nightjar wrote:
On 19/09/2019 21:19, Rod Speed wrote:


"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 19/09/2019 19:13, Rod Speed wrote:
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Not with the biggest project fear lies that all the planes wont be
able to fly the day after,

Long since dispelled by the EU stating that British aircraft would
be allowed into their airspace, even if there were a no deal Brexit.

Still one of the original project fear bare
faced lies in the runup to the referendum.

It was a completely accurate statement of international aviation law.
Aircraft on scheduled flights have to have permission to fly into or
over the territory of another country. ICAO Convention, Part I,
Chapter II, Article 6.

At present, that permission is inherent in our membership of the EU.
Without a deal or the unilateral declaration given by the EU, British
aircraft would not have been allowed into EU airspace from the Brexit
date.

A total technicality since far more aircraft would have been disallowed
over UK airspace, to and from Europe...

Which would have been a far greater problem for us than for them.


You really think that there are more aircraft in British fleets than in
all of the EU combined?

Hardly relevant, as most of those don't fly into the UK. It would have
been very inconvenient to Ireland for direct flights from the continent to
have to route around UK airspace. However, apart from that most routes
that cross the UK could have been re-routed without much trouble. Hence,
the only real losers would have been the people who wanted to fly into or
out of the UK.

You really think that any organisation would deny to one nation what it
allows every other nation in the world that isn't in the EU?...

Except for the fact that they don't. A lot of airlines, including some
national airlines, are denied entry into EU airspace on safety or security
grounds. It also wouldn't have required the EU to take any action to deny
us access. It would have been the automatic result of us leaving without
having reached any agreement to the contrary. Fortunately, the EU made a
unilateral decision to continue to permit UK airlines to have permission
for at least 12 months after Brexit, whether there was a deal in place or
not.

And they were always going to do that. The project fear lie was always a
bare faced lie.