On Wednesday, 18 September 2019 12:14:45 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 11:33 18 Sep 2019, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 18/09/2019 11:16, Clive Page wrote:
On 17/09/2019 16:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I don't want a second referendum anymore than I wanted the first one.
But it does seem those who who did secretly believe it was a fluke.

The Brexit supporters are against a second referendum quite simply
because the Remain side would almost certainly win.

Complete lie.

So why not hold the second referendum?

or why hold a 2nd referendum ?

and if we do and remain win then that is one all so we'll need a 3rd referendum.

We only had one the last time in 1975.

But what does it tell you, if you were deciding who should put the bins out
and you agreed to toss a coin and your partner lost and said Lets make it best of 3 would you agree and if after that they lost and said lets make in best of 5 how many more tinmes would you toss the coin before you get the 'correct' result.



Look at public
opinion polls: all those published in the last 18 months show Remain
ahead by several percentage points.

Complete lie. TRhe opposite is true.

Only in Daily Express polls.

Most polls indicated that remain would win last time.
Perhaps we should never had the referendum and just do what the polls indocate.



Of course polls have errors but
this consistent lead in all of them is above any likely error, and
means Remain would almost certainly win in any re-run.

The reason is simple: in 3 years about 2 million electors have died,
most of them elderly, and we know that about 75% of the elderly (those
over 70_ voted to Leave. They have been replaced by about 2 million
people in the 18-21 age group, who we know are in favour of Remain by
80 to 90%.

Complete lie.

The demographics are shifting against Leave. As more young Remain voters
move through the age bands, Leavers will be a (literally) dying group.

There was a similar story last time, but what of those getting older
what makes you so sure they won't change from being a remainer to a leaver ?



You may think that as people get older their views get more
conservative and perhaps incline more towards Leave.Â* But the limited
evidence available suggests this is not true.Â* One reason is that
Leave voting is much more correlated with lack of education than with
age: of course the 70+ group were young when only about 8% could go to
college so it's hardly their fault that they never got a decent
education.Â* This means that many of them have the world-view of a
little-Englander.Â* Education does not seem to vanish with age and
neither, as far as pollsters can tell, does being in favour of
remaining in the EU.

Complete lie.

You wont be able to fool a more education generation with the simplistic
nonsense put forward by the Leave campaign.

There's no evidence they are more educated, unless yuo think carrying a knife is educated because your mates carry one.

I know most acadmic results are increasing but that's just a fudge we call it grade inflation, it's pretty easy to see how it works if you can be bothered.




Conclusion: the Leave side may have left it too late.Â* Indeed if we
left now it would be profoundly anti-democratic, as the majority of the
population already don't want it and it will be hard to reverse.Â* Even
if nobody has changed their mind, the electorate as a whole has.Â*Â*
Hence Boris's fanatical determination to leave as soon as possible.Â*
He knows it will be too late to do it any later.

Complete lie.

Boris's real achievement has been to unite the opposition.

That's true but I'm not sure if that will be enough.

It has made
his desparte to cut and run before they restrain him.

If we do leave, I think there will be an inexorable rise in demand to
rejoin within a few years.Â* That will have left us all worse off.

Complete lie.

All the Leaver work is set to be undone eventually. You can't fool all of
the people, all of the time.

No but all you have to do is fool most of the people most of the time, or even a small section of time.
you just have to look at tha last referendum and if you don't understand that, then the 2nd referendum wonlt be much differnt.

Trump had similar succsess .