On 18/09/2019 11:16, Clive Page wrote:
On 17/09/2019 16:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I don't want a second referendum anymore than I wanted the first one. But
it does seem those who who did secretly believe it was a fluke.

The Brexit supporters are against a second referendum quite simply
because the Remain side would almost certainly win.

Complete lie.


Look at public
opinion polls: all those published in the last 18 months show Remain
ahead by several percentage points.

Complete lie. TRhe opposite is true.

Â* Of course polls have errors but
this consistent lead in all of them is above any likely error, and means
Remain would almost certainly win in any re-run.

The reason is simple: in 3 years about 2 million electors have died,
most of them elderly, and we know that about 75% of the elderly (those
over 70_ voted to Leave. They have been replaced by about 2 million
people in the 18-21 age group, who we know are in favour of Remain by 80
to 90%.


Complete lie.

You may think that as people get older their views get more conservative
and perhaps incline more towards Leave.Â* But the limited evidence
available suggests this is not true.Â* One reason is that Leave voting is
much more correlated with lack of education than with age: of course the
70+ group were young when only about 8% could go to college so it's
hardly their fault that they never got a decent education.Â* This means
that many of them have the world-view of a little-Englander.Â* Education
does not seem to vanish with age and neither, as far as pollsters can
tell, does being in favour of remaining in the EU.

Complete lie.

Conclusion: the Leave side may have left it too late.Â* Indeed if we left
now it would be profoundly anti-democratic, as the majority of the
population already don't want it and it will be hard to reverse.Â* Even
if nobody has changed their mind, the electorate as a whole has.Â*Â* Hence
Boris's fanatical determination to leave as soon as possible.Â* He knows
it will be too late to do it any later.

Complete lie.

If we do leave, I think there will be an inexorable rise in demand to
rejoin within a few years.Â* That will have left us all worse off.

Complete lie.


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