On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 04:40:48 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay
wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
bert wrote:
Odd really. Brexiteers are all so convinced a no deal exit is what the
people voted for. But very against a second referendum where that belief
could be tested.
Not at all. It's remainers who insist people didn't vote for a no-deal
brexit whereas in fact it was made perfectly clear during the referendum
campaign by both sides that it was a possible outcome if negotiations
did not succeed.
Really? Then there was no need for leave to tell us the EU would be a
pushover and give in to our every demand? They need us more than we need
them? And so on?
Remain did try and tell us what would happen with no deal. Screams of
project fear from leavers. But oddly no one predicted the present fiasco.
Just because you didn’t predict the EU would be so ‘difficult’ (to put it
mildly) doesn’t mean others didn’t.
The problem is, you and your fellow Remainers are convinced you know what
others, in particular Leavers, think / believe.
You focus all your bile and bigotry into trying to convince yourself that
we are wrong and you are blessed with infallibility.
Oh the irony. Classic outpourings of a left brainer.
That tells me you are not sure of your own position at all, no matter how
much you rant and rave.
Of course that's the case, because we were never ready to answer such
a question (the referendum poll) in the first place. We weren't ready
because the majority (the 2/3rds that didn't vote to Leave) didn't
have a reason to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally%E2%80%93Anne_test
The point is that the fanatic Brexiteers (as opposed to just people
who happened to vote Leave potentially) are the activists in this
procedure. They are the ones (and *only* the ones) who have changed us
from continuing with the status quo to doing *something else*, where
*no one* has any real idea of the consequences or final outcome.
The fact that we also have no bankable idea of how the status quo
might change in the future has nothing to do with it (because 'in', we
still have a say to name just one reason).
So, the fanatic Brexiteers either have some sort of vision into the
future, sufficiently strong / accurate that they see it as a no risk
change, or the are racist, Little Englander, reckless gamblers that
have a cause (getting rid of 'foreigners' in the case of the racists
etc) and with no limits to what that might cost *everyone*, as long as
they get their way ... without a tangible reason that would benefit
'most people' it can only be a fanatic cause, based on just a 'belief'
or prejudice.
Remainers (or those who didn't vote at all) don't have to justify
their choice of *inaction* (afa actively wanting us all to leave the
EU), the Brexiteers have to justify their choice *action* and so far,
they haven't (other than to themselves of course).
They haven't because they can't for the reasons I've given above.
So, rather than continuing to post lies and BS (we know harry can't
help it, so bad is his case), how about stating the unequivocal facts
that you (Brexiteers) must be aware of that would prove to 'most
people' that they *will* be better off out of the EU.
Failure to do so (and it's your obligation to do so to gain any
credibility whatsoever) will simply demonstrate further that you are
just reckless gamblers on a personal (often morally questionable)
crusade.
Cheers, T i m
p.s. The chances are you won't 'get' most of the above as it requires
a modicum of empathy and an understanding of what 'the people' (in
anything other than a raw percentage) means.