On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 12:46:42 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
trader_4 writes:
On Sunday, September 8, 2019 at 7:12:34 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
Do you have single-phase or two-phase electric service?
No such thing as 2 phase
There is (was). What is split phase in most of the US is mistakenly
called 2 phase by some. However there really is 2 phase.
I hop ewe don't have to go through the same old 400 postings about this.
If you had that hope, why did you take the troll bait?
You start off with the wrong assumption that because one particular system
of two phase was called two phase, that means that defines what two phase
means. To do this right, you first need to define what an N phase power
service would look like. Hint: It's not limited to 90 degrees phase
difference. I have defined it in the past, no one else has.
So, here are your questions. Let's take your second example of what you
say was the old two phase power, ie 90 deg phase difference, three wires with
a common return. I changed the phase difference to 70 deg by rotating
one of the windings on the generator. Are there
still two phases there? Now I change it to 179 deg, are there still
two phases there? I change it to 181, are there still two phases there?
I change it to 180 deg, are there still two phases
there? And how is the latter any electrically different than the
3 wire 240/120V service going into a home? Describe how I could tell
from the panel in your house which of the two I had, how they are
electrically different, how they behave differently?
This is based on semantics without definitions and reliance on what
something was historically, not electrical engineering. Would I call
240/120V, two phase? No, because it's not commonly referred to as that,
but that does not change the fact as to what's actually there, you
have two 120V sources that are 180 deg out of phase with each other.
Are they 180 degrees? or 120 degrees.
The 240/120V service into a house is two 120V sources that are 180 deg
out of phase with each other. That's how you get 240V between the two
hots.
Most AC is distributed as three-phase
power. Each neighborhood here gets one of the three phases from the
the power yard where the incoming three-phase 115kVAC is transformed to
21kVAC or 12kVAC (depending on age of neighborhood) for distribution. That means the
two hot conductors at the service entrance are drived from two of the three
distribution phases, which would make them 120 degrees apart.
I see the typical residential transformer connected with one high
voltage lead going to one primary, not connected across two. I assume
the other side is tied to a primary neutral.
That phase is split
using a grounded conductor (AKA Neutral) into two 120VAC circuits.
No argument there. The issue is what you then have, what it looks like,
what it is, how you describe it.
Go through the simple exercise with questions I posed for Ralph and try to
explain the obvious holes. When you treat 180 as just another phase
difference, a special case if you will where the phases are directly
opposite, you can answer all those questions easily. If you claim
otherwise, then you wind up wandering in the wilderness. Which is why
they won't answer it, step by step.