On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 7:39:46 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 16:09:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 4:48:49 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:20:19 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 12:29:29 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I wonder how his family really feels about it now that they have $5.9
million. Not to single them out, many of those that get huge settlements.



Yep, many times the cop gets fired or worse and the prep or his family
gets a million plus.

Lawyers get rich .

Which is a good reason that cops that violate PD policy, that cause
needless deaths, that bring shame and lawsuits should be fired.

I suppose you think people who fight with cops and fail to comply with
lawful orders should be rewarded.

I've never said anything at all like that. And if you read what
I've posted here over the years, I've sided with the police in
most of these incidents. That doesn't mean I close my eyes and
deny the facts where a cop was wrong.




Like I have said, I know a lot of cops, most from the DC Police or PG
county and they run into people who want to fight them all the time.
Cake is not going to work.

No **** Sherlock, I never said or implied that it would. They didn't
have to give Garner cake, they just had to arrest him using the
allowed methods. Three of the cops did that. One chose to ignore
the dept rules, the dept training and do what he pleased. Garner
died. The medical examiner says the fatal sequence was initiated
by the chokehold, and it was forceful enough that she had photos
of the damage it caused to his neck.



My neighbor here was a disabled Cleveland cop who suffered an injury
he took to his grave from a guy like Garner. He ended up shooting the
guy but by then he was crippled for life. It is no wonder cops go to
the gun so fast.

Maybe you should put on a badge and walk around Newark or Camden for a
week and then get back to us.

Maybe cops like Pantaleo should follow the rules. Rules that were put
in place for exactly this reason, that chokeholds can be fatal.
Just as there are good cops, there are some bad cops, that won't
follow rules and are just itching to give somebody a good whooping,
thinking like you do, that the deserve it.


Yeah that is what you would do in a fight with a much bigger man, Pull
out your rule book and be sure you were being polite.

A - It wasn't much of a fight. And you claim he was about ready to
die anyway from all his health problems.

B - There were FOUR cops on the guy.

C - I would hope I would remember my training, including that chokeholds
are dangerous and not to be used.





I guess you read
the article where the police department doctor said this was NOT the
banned choke hold.

No, I didn't see that. IDK how a police doctor would be an expert
in what chokeholds are allowed or what the training, policy, etc
was. The guy who was expert in that, the head of police training
said it was a chokehold, it was prohibited.




The "damage" to his neck was superficial, no
collapse of the wind pipe or bone damage. The guy died from an asthma
attack, followed by a heart attack. Even the ME admitted that.

I'm sure if the medical examiner had photos of the broken blood
vessels in your neck from a chokehold, you'd have a very different
opinion.





I also gave you your cite about the supervisor's acquiescence in the
way this was handled and she was there, not monday morning quarter
backing.

What you provided only said the supervisor was there, not when she
got there, what she saw, etc. So now that I once again have to go
looking for the details, look at this:

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...m3m-story.html

'Adonis, accused by the NYPD of failure to supervise, was seven miles away from Bay St. when all hell broke loose on Staten Island five years ago.

The cop, who joined the NYPD in 2002, is first seen on video of the fatal encounter after Garner has already been taken to the ground by Pantaleo. Adonis wasnt there when the two confronted each other and she wasnt there when Garner was cuffed.

But even so, the NYPD says she must have a department trial at One Police Plaza for her failure to intervene after Garner was on the pavement."


If that's true, then you have your answer as to why she was only
docked 20 days pay. Like I said, without knowing all the details
there, it's hard to make a judgment. Pantaleo is very different.
He used a chokehold and the PD had banned them. And they banned
them because other people had already died in similar cases from
chokeholds. That's why the COP said "stay away from the neck"
Pantaleo didn't. And it wasn't like it was one on one with him
and Garner. There were four cops tackling Garner.




This was a political lynching of a cop, after the fact by an anti
police mayor to appease the black community and it is not shocking
that people who serve at his pleasure like the ME went along. Just
because he didn't appoint her doesn't mean he can't fire her.

BS. It was a cop who disregarded his orders, disregarded his training
and used a banned chokehold and the guy died. That's why they banned
them to begin with. capiche? You have ZERO evidence that any
political pressure was put on the MD who did the autopsy. In fact,
that claim makes no sense at all. If the city was out to get P,
why didn't they get him indicted? A prosecutor can get a grand
jury to indict a ham sandwich, yet they didn't. And for political
purposes, if you were going to try to obstruct, the obvious thing
would be to do the OPPOSITE, to have the autopsy find that he
just died of natural causes, that the chokehold had no effect.
Then the city looks like they did nothing wrong.