On 8/28/2019 3:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 8/28/2019 12:44 PM, Bill wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

Private trade schools and charter schools are often just big scams -
the "official" community colleges and polytechnics have generally good
teachers and turn out qualified graduates.




It depends on the school.Â* A local 'offical ' community college was
much
different.Â* A co worker taught for several years at one at night.
He is
very good at teaching.

One year he was teaching a 2nd course in electrical.Â* The students ere
grown men that their companies sent them there for classes. He found
out that they had just been passed through the first part and did not
know much.Â* He had to fail about half of them.Â* He was called in by the
head of the college and said that his services were no longer needed.

Seems that the college was just after the money from the local
businesses and all the students 'had to pass with a C or better'.

Private colleges in particular work hard to make certain that
students are "successful".Â* Big state schools are a little more
"callous". Community colleges generally attract a much less
"traditional" group of students, many of them out of high school for
many years. A department chair is likely to say that if the students
aren't being successful it's the teacher's fault. Surely the failing
students will say it's the teacher's fault. No college likes to lose
students. Graduate schools expect to lose some. There's no place for
ineptitude on the part of the students or the teachers. The "bottom
line analysis" is very often done in terms of numbers, since that's
the easiest way.

Brick and mortar schools are quite concerned about the upcoming ones
on the Internet.Â* They are quite concerned with "staying relevant".
Loneliest place on most campuses these days--the library.Â* Little
joke: What's a "library"?


Same thing happened to a classmate of mine at a community college
teaching civil engineering.Â* I was talking to a a student at U of Del
the other day and she said they are still tough.

I think engineering courses can afford to be tougher since the students
are tougher, and they tend to be better prepared--and they didn't choose
engineering as a major because they were looking for the path of least
resistance.

I agree. All STEM courses are tougher. STEM students spend the college
years with their heads in the books, not partying. You also need the
talent for these studies and some cannot cut it no matter how hard they
study.