On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:17:02 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/26/2019 7:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-4,
wrote:

Political bull**** snipped

The guy was fighting with the cops.
Should they have bought him a cake?

The guy never punched a cop, never hit a cop, he had no weapons,
he just struggled, refused to be handcuffed and they took him down.
At that point he was face down, several cops were on top of him,
he was no serious threat at that point. And if you, along with a
couple of other cops, can't restrain a guy like that
and deal with him without violating dept policy and using a deadly
chokehold, you should find another job. Now he will.

How long was he supposed to be allowed to "struggle" with police
before he stops the CRIME of resisting arrest?

This was a crime in progress by the biggest guy there who was not
going quietly. In the end he did tho. Mission accomplished.
I hope the cop finds a better job where they don't buy cake for
criminals to get them in the wagon.


Yeah, seems there was a very easy way to prevent this death. Comply and
figure it out later. If there is one of you and two, three, or four of
them, do you think you will win? Maybe he figured the cops would just
say "this guy is really tough, lets just let him go".

I like watching Live PD (A & E network) on weekends. Amazing how
criminals or suspects make it much more difficult that it has to be.

Yeah everyone talks about him saying "I can't breathe" but with his
heart condition, being grossly overweight and asthma I doubt he could
breathe after walking up the steps from the subway. He was fighting
with the cops for 15 minutes and that health issue was what killed
him, not the fact that someone grabbed him around the neck.
This isn't anywhere near the banned "choke hold" which was the old
"sleeper hold" that pinched off blood flow to the brain and literally
knocks you out.
I suppose they could have just put a guy on each arm and leg and wait
for him to die of the same heart attack but this was about to get far
more serious than just one guy getting arrested and they really wanted
to clear that scene before they had a riot. The supervisor told the
guy who got fired to take him down and get him in the wagon, then the
guy got fired for doing it. The supervisor never told him not to touch
the neck and she was standing right there watching.
Trader would have bought him a cake.