On 18/08/2019 13:59, Robin wrote:
On 18/08/2019 13:30, John Rumm wrote:
On 14/08/2019 15:06, wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 12:50:58 UTC+1, dennis@homeÂ* wrote:
On 14/08/2019 11:44, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019 00:09:42 UTC+1, tabbyÂ* wrote:
On Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:54:37 UTC+1, dennis@homeÂ* wrote:
On 13/08/2019 10:06, tabbypurr wrote:

Rebulbable lights last far longer, come in a huge range of
looks, and are cheaper.

Lights with fixed LEDs last longer,

the life of one LED only. Duh.

with is ~10 years if they are only on for 12 hours a day.

Some don't even live in the same property for that long.


come in a huge range of looks, and are cheaper.


The reason they last longer is because they can be cooled
better than some random fitting retrofitted with a LED bulb.

No dennis. The reason they last less long is a) the
manufacturer couldn't care less as long as it makes a few
years

So don;t buy from a cheap manufacturer. The same goes for any
product.


b) since it's only on a small % of time they push the LEDs much
harder. BC/ES LEDs OTOH are rated at 15-25k hours

why would they need to push them harder ? Ah because they are
crap quality to start with ?



because it suits tabby's argument.

he ignores the often reported failures of LED bulbs due to over
heating of the PSU in the base.

Of course you could buy philips hue bulbs which will have a switch
mode supply in them but they are £20+. The cheap ones come with a
crappy capacitor dropper which wont last a year in an unventilated
lamp or even one that has the bulb hanging down. .

I see you're dodging reality again. A year is 8,760 hours. A 15k or
25k rating means the lamps last an average of 15 or 25k hours run
time. That there are infant failures on all LED lamps makes not one
whit of difference. Other than the relamping cost of £3 versus £70.

Just as well they come with 3 - 5 year warranties then...


All good points of course.Â* But I have never seen a warranty that covers
the labour cost of replacing the fitting.Â* That does not matter to you
or others who can DIY.Â* But to many consumers it's a substantial cost.

If they get the fitter to also supply the fitting, then they can check
they will honour the warranty and bear the cost when commissioning the
work.

Also work keeping in mind that in lots of commercial situations the
costs of re-lamping and replacing are similar due to the H&S brigade
insisting that scaffolding be used to reach high fittings etc.





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Cheers,

John.

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