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Clare Snyder
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Why aren't toasters grounded?
On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 14:34:27 -0400,
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On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 21:53:10 -0400, Clare Snyder
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On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 12:07:40 -0400,
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On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 11:52:40 -0400, Clare Snyder
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On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 11:46:12 -0400,
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On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 11:23:07 -0400,
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:10:48 -0400, Ralph Mowery
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In article ,
says...
Toasters are expected to be plugged into a GFCI "small appliance
circuit". There is a great amount of safety because of that.
My house was made in 1967 and doesn't have GFCI circuit in the kitchen
or a GFCI circuit breaker for the kitchen in the main panel. Having
said that though, we use a toaster OVEN rather than a toaster for
bread. It has three prongs.
My house was built in the 1980's and does not have GFCI in the kitchen.
We have a toster oven that only has a 2 prong plug. It was bought
sometime in the last 10 years.
The Keurig coffee machine and electric mixer are the only small
appliances in te kitchen that do have a 3 prong plug. The other coffee
pot (Mr. Coffee type),and microwave only have 2 prongs.
A microwave with a 2 prong plug? It is either so new it is double
insulated or it was never listed. The 45 year old one I have uses a 3
prong plug. I also wonder what NEC cycle your AHJ was using if a 1980
house does not have GFCI protected small appliance circuits.
My house was built in 1990 and has GFCI on the outdoor receptacles
and the bathroom receptacles - not on the kitchen.
Ontario Canada
My google searches could only find the USA NEC history
not Canada
John T.
1980 code in canada required 2 split 15 amp outlets in the kitchen
(4 circuits) and GFCI outlets do NOT work on an edison circuit - must
use double pole GFCI breakers.
They were hellishly expensive so were not generally installed.
Current Canadian code requires minimum of 2 separate 20 amp circuits
in the kitchen WITH GFCI protection - either at the outlet or the
breaker panel. Both of which are available at reasonable cost.
GFCI receptacles work fine on multiwire (Edison) circuits as long as
you use 2 of them. (One on each leg at the split in a quad box)
You can't have too many receptacles in the kitchen anyway these days.
I have exactly the scenario you are talking about in mine and all 4
have something plugged in all the time. I am ****ed I didn't do at
least 3 duplexes or even 4.
Canadian code required the outlets to be "split" in the kitchen.
That's 2 circuits for each duplex outlet. Didn't matter how many you
installed - if they were at a "countertop" they had to be split -
impossible to plug in more than 1 15 amp device per circuit.
You only had one receptacle per circuit? What was the counter spacing
requirement? I can see the number of circuits required for a
reasonable sized kitchen soaring.
The minimum was 2 splits - 4 circuits. -- actually just checked
1969 code and it just specifies 2 circuits dedicated to countertop
appliance receptacles - at least one in each working area - no 2
adjacent outlets connected to the same branch circuit. Grounded
polarized plugs were specified in 1969 code.
Looking at my 1966 code book I believe it is the last code that
specifically called out specifications for knob and tube wiring,
Grounding was required for all circuits, non-metallic sheathed cable,
open wiring, or knob and tube in 1966. The kitchen requirements were
the same in 1966
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