On 23/03/2019 00:01, Steve Walker wrote:
On 22/03/2019 10:55, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/03/2019 17:21, Steve Walker wrote:
On 21/03/2019 16:44, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:26:52 +0000, Mark
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:07:42 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 21/03/2019 13:49, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:08:38 +0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 21/03/2019 08:19, Brian Gaff wrote:
I've noticed a gradual rise to mobile numbers as well over say,
the last
month or so.
Â*Â*Â* some are not spoofed but genuine chancers trying to sell
stuff, usually
some financial service or crap junk from China.

At least some do have an opt outÂ* number to hit, and having
checked this
against charges, it seems to be legitimate and worked.

Those opt-outs should be changed to opt-ins - it's very hard to
opt-out
when you've picked up the landline on an only slightly updated,
80 year
old, rotary dial phone!

IIRC the law says that it must be "opt-in" not "opt-out".


UK law doesn't apply to other countries so they can still phone you.

UK law should apply to companies that do business in the UK.

Depends what you mean by 'do business'.Â* If they have a branch or
office in the UK, I agree with you but if they are based abroad and
phoning UK numbers, I don't see how that would work.Â* You can't get
somebody extradited for an alleged crime that took place outside the
jurisdiction.Â* By that logic, if someone used a clone of my credit
card in Hong Kong, they could be brought to court and prosecuted in
the UK.Â* How would that work?Â* Extraordinary rendition?

How many nuisance calls have you received where the services or goods
being offered are being advertised for a company that does not have a
UK presence? I've not had one. They have all been for double glazing,
new boilers, new kitchens, accident compensation, etc., where there
is a clear UK presence that is simply using overseas call centres to
get around the UK laws.

Registering with the telephone preference service will knock out the
majority of legit uk based cold callers. For the few that still ring,
simply mentioning they are ringing a TPS listed number makes them
vanish very quickly.

Yes TPS does work well for UK companies making their own calls or using
UK call centres. It seems to be a loophole though that a company can use
an overseas call centre to make their calls, but the company are not
held liable for those calls and the call centre is out of UK jurisdiction.

Even if they were liable, they would likely claim to be the victim of a
deception... "honest gov, they claimed to be a legit marketing company
that would only call proper bona fide opt in targets - how were we to
know?" Its hard to make anything stick.


--
Cheers,

John.

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