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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:28:22 +1000, "543dsa" wrote:



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On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 08:15:17 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 11:11:19 UTC+1, MM wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:40:07 +0100, Nightjar
wrote:

On 25/09/2018 09:14, Brian Gaff wrote:
We need to define democracy. It seems to mean whatever gets them
back
into
power as many politicians like many rock stars start to believe
they
are the
saviour of society and cannot possibly be wrong.

To the Athenians, who invented it, democracy meant giving every
citizen*
the right to vote on every issue - effectively a referendum on every
decision.

* Citizens had to be male, property owners and have completed
military
training.

To my mind, democracy means having the right to change one's mind when
the facts change. Already half the lifetime of a normal session of
government (five years) has elapsed and we know a *heck* of a lot more
now about the ramifications of leaving. A new poll of Labour Party
members shows that over 80% want now to remain in the EU. Business
Insider UK reported on 4 September that 2.6 million voters have
switched support from leave to remain.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/this-p...18-9?r=US&IR=T

MM

The facts have not changed since the referendum..

But the fact is, many more voters are now aware of the facts.

Any future changes will be for the worse.
Eg, EUSSR army.

Why is that a change for the worse, given the threat Putin poses?

Putin is no threat to the EU and NATO is a much more
viable deterrent to Putin than any EU army can ever be.

And you know this how, exactly?

Have a look at what happened in the second Gulf War.

Especially since you have no idea how
an EU army would be constructed.

We do know what is possible.

Plus, if Putin is not a threat to the EU as you claim, despite
his continual meddling militarily in other nations' affairs,
why have we now established a presence in the Baltic states?

Who is this 'we' ?

"Operation CABRIT is the codename for the British Army's
operational deployment to Eastern Europe as part of
NATO's Enhanced Forward Presence (Spearhead Force)."

Fat lot of good that ever did with the Crimea and the Ukraine.

Is that the best reason you can come up with for voting to leave?

No,. the best reasons are that the UK no longer has to
allow any EUian that decides to move to the UK to do
that, and no longer has to allow any unelected EU
bureaucrat to have any say what so ever on UK policy.

That is not what the Chequers proposal gives you.

Yes, but that is because that fool May is a remainer
who clearly wants a brexit in name only.

The European Court of Justice will very much
still be involved in regulating the Common
Rulebook that Theresa May has come up with.

Not if the EU tells May to shove Chequers where the sun don't shine.

Do you still not understand what you were voting for?

I didn't vote, stupid.