On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 07:48:47 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

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If you just want a number then it might as well be 42.

So 42 it is then.

Cool. I'm glad that settled.


The result isn't something you pluck out of the air, it's something
you calculate using the information available using and the science
and maths that accompany such.

No **** sherlock.

Yes **** Sherlock, that's why I told you. There is no magic answer.

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Why not? Does it look like brick on the outside? Where there has been
any damage to the inside does it look like breeze blocks or
plasterboard etc?

I dodn;t****ing know it;s covered in scaffolding that is sheted over and they are putting cladding on it anyway.
They hae ripped all the old stuff off with the view to replacing it all.

Look at the ****ing picture if yuo want to know.



I don't 'want to know', you need to know if you want to answer your
own question.


no more so that yuo can get the construction detaila for grenfell tower or any other building.

No more that you could get you mean? I might have a chance, given
reasonable access and under the same conditions your labs are
currently under.

then do it.

Put the kettle on ...

And you have asked about the fabric of the building have you (not
electrical or other stuff because they are builders not electricians).

Why do you think I should have

I don't.

It has nothing to do with me.

Then why ask 'How many heaters do I need' here?

All building work come under teh estates department NOT me.

No **** Sherlock?

Are yuo realy that stupid that you think that the secaretires in the offices know the building regulations too.

Nope. Are you so stupid that you would ask that question. Doh!

You're tottaly clueless aren't you.

It doesn't look like it so far, no.


or even need construction details.

To work out the answer to your question of 'How many radiators'.

So do it then.

So do it then. Get the measurements.


It has nothing to do with me.

It seems it is since you posted about the heaters here.

All I wanted to know was what power a 2KW heater delivers but you can't even get that right saying it's 1300W.

You don't know that it's not right though do you? You told us the
thing(s) drop back to 700W after 2 hours (then changed it to 20 mins)
and when your power supply is struggling to provide much over 200V
what wattage to YOU think they are giving out? 2kW because that's what
it says on the label?

I don't give a **** about the building, I don;t own in I'm not in charge of it.

No, I guess that much!

Perjhps instead yuo should contact the principles of he college.

Why should I do it? Ok, I know I did contact CPC Tech Support for you
but that was a technical / product question.

Some earn close to 1/2 million a year if they don't know what makes you think a technicain would know.

No, I am very sure this particular technician wouldn't know (anything)
but why would I assume they would either? However, I bet they stand a
better chance of working it out than you?

I'm not going to try measuring the lab using 1 metre rulers either.

Why not, can't get past 10m without taking your socks off?

Why would I need to take my socks off. ?

FFS! To count past ten you thicko!

I don;t need to do that to count pased 10

Erm, didn't you say the lab was 15m long(ish)? 15 is greater than 10
you know?

I;ve already told you what the lengh width and hieght is can;t yuo work out it out from those figures.

No. It's impossible. I've told you.

I've linked to pictures from inside and outside but you still havent; a clue have you.

Nope, I still haven't ... and ironically, you are actually there and
have even less!


You have given me rough dimensions of the lab, that's it.

Then ****ing well use them.

I have considered them., can't really use them till we get some more
info.

Or do you really need measurements made with a micrometer ?

With a tape measure graduated in some standard unit would be nice, not
just 'crazy daves' paces!


I know now you;re just trolling.

Yeah, that would be right eh ...


So another excuse is it.

The lab is 15 metres long.
The lab is 12 metres long.
It is 3 metres high.

So what excuses do you have left ?

Doors, windows, fabric, temperature requirements ...

You thick ****er.

Ok ...

The dorods are those that have been installed and on video.

Sorry, do you think I'm Robocop or Iron Man or something and have
laser rangefinding and measurement in my optics system? Do you realise
just how childish and stupid everything you say is?

windows well I dhad no idea what sort of windows were to be installed,

Thanks for telling us the windows weren't installed at the beginning.

so it wouuld be difficult,

Not to tell us they were just boarded up it wouldn't.

fabric what ficuking fabric .

Another term that seems to have whooshed you that is commonly used.
'The fabric of the building.

https://www.new-learn.info/packages/...nts/index.html

As for temerature I just want the legal limit would be OK by me.

Ok, well put that in the formula then.

So look up what that is unless uo;re too stupid to do that and yuo need me to hold yuor hand.

You hold my hand to help you??


Oh yes, windows! Who would have thought ... rolls eyes


So tell me about these windows.

Well, I think they are lovely. Thy look like Crittal metal frame
design and offer a lovely unobstructed view of the world outside. Ok?


Now, what size are they ...

Look at the ****ing pictures.

Daft dave. "I'd like to buy some shoes please"
Shoe shopkeeper. "Sure, what size sir?"
Daft dave: "The same f'ing size I've got on now, can't you see and
work it out yourself you f'ing idiot."





Well we aren't really interested in anything that is temporary,
especially if it isn't fully sealed etc.

FFS of course we are.

We are?

That's the whole point you dumb arse.

It is?

While the building work is going on and the heating system refurbished, rebuilt or started again from scratch we need heating in the lab.

Oh, so this is just *temporary heating*.

As I said before this was meant to be finshed completed ended in August !.

And it wasn't was it ... and isn't going to be finished any time soon.
So much for temporary solution. So, what are the calcs?

Once the building work has finshed the new heating system once installed will be turned on and put into use then the tempory heating in the lab will go into storeage until the next time an earea is refurbished.

Promise you won't ask about it here again?

Or when the heating system fails.

And will you have done the calcs by then?

But I'm hopping like the new graduate centre that the corridors are above 12C and the labs and classrooms are at least 16C preferable 20C, I;d lioke to be able to control the lab temeratures too,

And you think they will let you?

previousl;y thre was NO thermostates and NOP controls for the labs, the only 'control' was whether to have the windows open or close and whether or not to have heaters OR fans on.

And what did you choose? Did you choose fans on, windows open or fans
off, windows closed?


Do you know those doing the work have temporey lighting and they connect their 110V equipment via their isolating step down transformers to the mains in this building 110V is a tempory set up too just like the heating is.

No, I didn't. Should I have seen that from here with my Robocop eyes?

What is the construction of the walls?

Reinforced concrete like a lot of building of the 1950s-60s.

Ok, we are getting there ... but is it solid though to the inside or
is the inside lined with something (like plasterboard on a studwork of
some sort). If you knock on the inside of a plain bit of outside wall,
does it sound hollow or solid and if you look at the edge of the outer
wall (say at a window), how thick does it look?

I don't know and I don't care. I'm two floors up.

I'd say you were *way* higher than that!

It has nothing to do with me, how many more times do you need telling.

42?

If you want to know look at the ****ing pictures.

And they are lovely pictures mate, thanks for sharing.

But you're too stupid to do that even

No, I am that stupid ... I looked at your pictures.

A pictue is worth a thousand words rememeber.

Some simple measurements would be nice!

They are standard door size, nothig specail about them.
Typical for all schools colleges as the regualtions state they should be.

Ok, that's a start ... however, is it *really* that difficult for you
to put a tape measure over them? Why would I bother to look up or
measure such things *for you*?

Apparently they are fire doors now whether that is a differnt spec from any other door I don't know.

They are likely to be better insulated and sealed.

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You do, if you want to answer your own question.

It has NOTHING to do with my question.
Look at the subject title !

So the thread has stayed on topic has it?

why does door size matter to how much a 2KW heater

For reason you would never be able to comprehend my friend.

uk.d-i-y ›
So how much power does an oil filled radiator actually use.

Daft dave: "So if a heater is left on in the III position and the
thermostat fully clockwise in it's maximum position what electrical
power will the heater use and how much will it cost to leave it on
from 9-5."

And

"What temperature would you expect say the half way up the fin should
be."

and

"so how would you calculate how many heaters would be needed if the
heaters you brought can only dissipate the stated heat for about 2
hours then switch down to a 1/3 of their rated value ?"

All your questions mate ...


Can you explain why shops selling this doesn;t have door sizes listed.

No (partly because I can't understand the question).

Anyway, you seem intent on carrying on in blissful ignorance so I
think I should leave you to get on with it.

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Cheers, T i m