On 13/11/2017 17:37, Meanie wrote:
On 11/8/2017 4:30 AM, Bod wrote:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ates/85994716/


Ireland: Ireland banned firearms in 1972. Irelands homicide rate was
fairly static going all the way back to 1945. In that period, it
fluctuated between 0.1 and 0.6 per 100,000 people. Immediately after the
ban, the murder rate shot up to 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1975. It then
dropped back down to 0.4. It has trended up, reaching 1.4 in 2007.

Australia: Australia enacted its gun ban in 1996. Murders have basically
run flat, seeing only a small spike after the ban and then returning
almost immediately to preban numbers. It is currently trending down, but
is within the fluctuations exhibited in other nations.

Plain and simple. Gun control has no significant impact on murder rates.
Removing firearms does not typically create massive lawlessness. It is a
moot point. These figures arent a secret. Why would the governments of
these nations want a disarmed populace? For the answer, it is best to
look at a nation that has had long-time gun bans that is currently
relaxing their laws. Russia recently relaxed its firearms laws. For the
first time in recent memory, a Russian citizen can carry a firearm. The
prohibited items speak volumes about what a governments motive behind
disarming the population is. Russia has allowed €œsmoothbore long
barrelled guns, pistols, revolvers, and other firearms, as well as
Tasers, and devices equipped with teargas.€� Thats almost everything,
what is still banned? Rifles. So the Russian government has made it
clear that the real objective is to remove rifles from civilian hands.
The reasoning is pretty clear: you need rifles to overthrow a government.


The Real Reason Gun Control Will Never Work:
Poverty has a greater correlation to violent crime than access to
firearms. Education and poverty are directly linked. In short, we dont
have a gun problem in the United States, we have a cultural problem.
Most people in the gun control lobby know nothing about firearms or
their construction. Everything you need to manufacture firearms is
available at Home Depot. The materials needed to manufacture a 12 gauge
shotgun cost about $20. If someone wanted to build a fully automatic
Mac-10 style submachine gun, it would probably cost about $60. Every
electrician, plumber, and handyman in the country has the materials
necessary to manufacture firearms in their shop. The items are
completely unregulated. They arent like the chemicals necessary to
manufacture methamphetamine. How is the battle against that black market
working out?

We have a society that panders to the basest desires and instincts. One
of those is violence. We live in a society where women are given dirty
looks for breastfeeding in a restaurant, while over their heads on the
wall-mounted television plays a movie that graphically depicts someone
being tortured to death. We are desensitized to violence, and we have a
generation of people that do not have the coping skills necessary to
deal with reality.

Firearms are the Pandoras Box of the United States. The box is open, it
cant be closed through legislation. If you want to change society, you
have to actually change the whole of society. You cant blame an
inanimate object thats availability has absolutely no correlation to
murder and expect to end violence.

Yes, the genie is out of the bottle and the gun problem would be a
challenge to improve on, but surely it is worthy of a discussion of ideas.

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Bod