On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:01:36 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 4:06:54 AM UTC-4, Gz wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:44:52 -0400, Tekkie® wrote:

In practical terms it's very hard to determine where a shooter is because of
the reverberation off of buildings, etc. Muzzle flash is better. In some
cities they have strategically placed listening devices to pinpoint the
location.

+1

Called "shot spotter". The units have to be up 30 ft or so. It
triangulates the shots near instantly and provides the GPS. (45
seconds)

Las Vegas does not have the system. About 90 large metro areas do have
them.

Watch the video link:

http://www.shotspotter.com/technology

After watching some new and old videos, it's possible to triangulate witht
current videos recorded. I'm hearing two shooters. Someone also brilliantly
calculated times of hits vs shoots. There are two distinct shooters
separated by almost 200 meters. You hear the hits well before the shoots,
supersonic flight, but there are two time delays. I also saw flashes from
32 floor of Mandalay. Not much heard about the fellow two floors saying it
took 72 minutes for swat to enter.

To enter what? It was widely reported from the very beginning that the
police did not breech the hotel room door until until about 72 mins
after the attack began. They entered the hotel much earlier, were on
the 31st floor about 18 mins in. That part continues to change.

What's shocking to me is that a week in, the police suddenly changed
the timeline and it's not just the minutes. More problematic is the
sequence. In the early days, they had the arrival of the hotel security
guard ending the attack. Now they say he arrived for a totally unrelated
alarm about an open door on the floor, that his arrival prompted the
first shooting, at him. He was wounded, the attack on the crowd started
6 mins later. I can understand how timelines need to be adjusted for
mins, but how could the whole sequence be wrong for a week? Where has
this guard been? You;d think he'd be calling police, saying hey, the
way you're telling it is all wrong.

Also troubling,

What are the odds of an unrelated door open alarm occurring at the same time?

It's been reported that Paddock fired 200 rounds through the door at
the security guard and that he had cameras installed in the hall so he
could see the hall outside. The security guard heard drilling coming
from the room, he went to see what it was about. Paddock was well
prepared, well armed, could see the guy in the hall, why didn't he
just answer the door and kill him? Seems far more certain than shooting
through the door. And if you were firing through the door, you'd
think you'd act like you were answering the door, so the guard would
be right outside.

The guard was shot in the leg, yet the police say he was still on the
32 floor when an building engineer found him. Wouldn't you crawl
the hell out of there?

The hotel said yesterday that they believe the new police timeline
is incorrect, but would not say anything more, like WHY?


There is a lot there for all kinds of speculation. You'd think by
now we'd have all the 911 calls. Instead, we don't even know if
the hotel made a 911 call following the security guard getting shot.
The official story is that he notified hotel security when he was
shot, I think there are tapes of that, but then nothing about when
the hotel called 911 or if they called at all. We have heard that
there was at least one 911 call from a guest on the 31st floor
who heard the shooting, presumably that was the first event, the
shooting of the guard.

The police have made a real mess of this and have done little to
clear it up.

It certainly points out the stupidity of saying a silencer would have
made this worse.
If firing 200 unsuppressed shots at a security guard wasn't reported
by all the other guests on that floor and did not raise the alarm,
then the sound of gun shots is not all that alarming. The other
question is why there was no 911 call right then. Everyone has a phone
these days and the guard most certainly had a radio.
I agree something stinks here. It is not surprising that we get so
many whacky conspiracy theories. I hope George Bush and Dick Cheney
have good alibis ;-)