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On 17:02 30 Sep 2017, tim... wrote:



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On 11:26 30 Sep 2017, tim... wrote:



"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
news On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:20:02 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

No, I'm complaining about how irresponsible the EU is being.

We need to walk out of these so-called 'talks' and
demonstrate a bit of spine. Let the industrialists in Germany
see if they can get some sense through to these intransigent
wasters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/30/theresa-may-
must-walk-away-brexit-talks-christmas-trade-negotiations/

(And FWIW, I fully agree - they are taking us for suckers!)

tim

What would the UK gain by walking away?

If we walk away the EU is very unlikley to coming running after
us and implore us to come back and they will behave differently
if we negoatiate.

That's precisely what the are expected to do

They need there to be a deal

no deal is equally bad for them

I saw one estimate that no deal made EU GDP about 1 percent worse
off. That's a small price to pay for European cohesion from
showing other countries they should never try to do what Britain
is attempting.

That says it all really. The only way to keep the EU in one piece is by
threat. It's an admission that the EU carries no benefits other than
free trade.
In the eventuality that in 2 years the UK hasn't made many
trade deals and the UK's arrangements are all a bit of mess,
then the fallback option will be to buy and sell goods with the
EU because they are so close and our goods are to their specs.

who said that we were going to stop trading with the EU
That isn't what no deal means

If there are no trade agreements in place and our EU arrangements
as a member lapse then I believe we go to WTO rules.

Bositerous Brexiteers thought the EU needed us more than we
need them. The reality is totally different.

No the reality is the the EU are a bunch of bullies who think
that by bullying us into terms that are very bad for us, very
good for them we will meekly say "perhaps we shouldn't leave
then" (and then they will turn up the screw even higher and
strip us of our opt outs)
by making it very very clear that isn't going to happen, they
will see sense

The world is not one big cuddly love-in and we should expect
another country to fully exploit its advantages over us. You can
call it bullying if you like but this is normal behaviour between
countries.

One would expect other countries to enter into negotiations in good
faith. This is patently lacking with the EU.
The US, whom we are regularly told is our great ally, didn't hold
back from imposing 220 percent retaliatory tariffs over
Bombardier.

Which is a Canadian company.
We need to be ready for a great deal more of this sort of thing as
the UK goes into into new trade deals with different countries
who, quite understandably, can't see why they should make life
easy for Britain.
They will look for mutual benefits of freeing up trade. The UK is a
large marketplace.
--
bert