"pamela" wrote in message
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On 11:26 30 Sep 2017, tim... wrote:



"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:20:02 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

No, I'm complaining about how irresponsible the EU is being.

We need to walk out of these so-called 'talks' and demonstrate
a bit of spine. Let the industrialists in Germany see if they
can get some sense through to these intransigent wasters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...may-must-walk-
away-brexit-talks-christmas-trade-negotiations/

(And FWIW, I fully agree - they are taking us for suckers!)

tim

What would the UK gain by walking away?

If we walk away the EU is very unlikley to coming running after us
and implore us to come back and they will behave differently if we
negoatiate.

That's precisely what the are expected to do

They need there to be a deal

no deal is equally bad for them

In the eventuality that in 2 years the UK hasn't made many trade
deals and the UK's arrangements are all a bit of mess, then the
fallback option will be to buy and sell goods with the EU because
they are so close and our goods are to their specs.

who said that we were going to stop trading with the EU

That isn't what no deal means

Bositerous Brexiteers thought the EU needed us more than we need
them. The reality is totally different.

No the reality is the the EU are a bunch of bullies who think that by
bullying us into terms that are very bad for us, very good for them we will
meekly say "perhaps we shouldn't leave then" (and then they will turn up the
screw even higher and strip us of our opt outs)

by making it very very clear that isn't going to happen, they will see sense