In article , pamela
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On 18:09 27 Sep 2017, tim... wrote:



"pamela" wrote in message
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On 10:37 27 Sep 2017, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 27/09/17 09:02, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman
(News)" writes
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Mark wrote:
Huh! If we remained a part of the EU we would have
some say on
how it
is run; outside the EU we have no say at all.

outside we no longer need to change it

That's a very naive attitude.

Just the usual drawbridge one.

Odd, really, for a country like ours which is self
sufficient in virtually nothing, other than water. It has to
trade to survive.

And sugar according to the BBC this morning:-)


Obviously if everyone were like plow****, it would be never be
self sufficient in anything except whining, and there's not
much market for that.

No modern nation is 'self sufficient'. No nation ever was.
Romans occupied Britain for tin gold and copper.

China imports vast quantities of coal and iron ore. China
exports rare earth metals to the world.

Remoaners are like little children who are taken to Town for
the first time and say 'but surely Daddy can't spend his whole
life here when he isn't at home, just working?'

The unbelievable stupidity of remoaners is to equate 'No trade
deal' with 'no trade'

If we end up charging quid pro quo import tariffs for Spanish
courgettes, someone will build a desalination plant and grow
them in Morocco. Or Nigeria. Or somewhere else outside the EU.
We could build heated greenhouses running on left wing
bull**** and grow them here. There's plenty of it.

Its all a matter of price.

It's true that the market will determine the price. If we wish
to pay the price then we will get the goods.

However the price of goods from non-EU countries may end up
being higher than at present. Perhaps much higher.

so we just carry on buying from the EU then.

Sorry, you don't seem to understand international trade. It is
um, international

if one country offers us a poor deal you just go somewhere else.

This idea that e.g. NZ can ramp up the price of its butter after
we have left is a nonsense. If it wants to sell us its butter
it has to compete on price. Otherwise we don't buy it from
them. Simples

The fact the EU levies tariffs and we may not does not, of
itself, ensure cheaper goods.

It does mean that the ROW will compete on a level playing field,
and if it does have lower costs of production will be able to
undercut the EU price as they will be no tariff disadvantage.

A vendor country may require the UK to
restrict certain sensitive exports to their country or makes
changes to the tariff arrangements for those goods.

Nonsense

No county imposes restrictions on another when they turn up at
the door saying can we buy the products that you have freely
advertised as wanting to sell (except ion the reselling of the
item purchased, that is, but your original claim doesn't seem to
be saying that)

And it certainly can't insist on discriminating tariffs for
other items being imposed - WTO rules disallow discriminating
tariffs, so no country could every comply with such a request
even if they were minded to do so.

One recent survey showed only 4% of retailers (who are getting
info passed down their supply chains) think prices will not
rise.

such surveyed are meaningless. they are simply a compilation of
people guess work

To be honest, I am sort of enjoying watching the problems the UK
is having in the negotiations.

As I see it, the whole Brexit thing is such a big mess that I
hardly care whether about the difference between it being a huge
mess or gianormous mess.

So the remoaners would have us believe.
The bigger the mess, the more entertaining it is to watch. I
suspect the Europeans will be seeing it in much the same way too.

It's amusing to watch Johnny Englander puff and pant that it's not
fair. Why should I care? The Brexiteers made this mess so they
can clear it up.
So you don't live or work in the UK?
--
bert