"pamela" wrote in message
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On 13:15 23 Sep 2017, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Mark
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:34:59 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

Not that this alters the case for leaving one iota.

True. There was never a good case for leaving the EU and even
less now. Delaying jumping off the cliff isn't going to change
the eventual outcome. International confidence in the UK is
dropping all the time and several agencies have downgraded the
UK's credit rating as a result.

The fact that the
EU would do this merely confirms why we should be leaving.

No. EU cohesion is more important than one country who are
trying to leave. The EU recognise how stupid the UK is at the
moment. The little englanders have sold you a dud.

And the UK negociators haven't a clue what they are doing.

Don't be silly. If the EU can only be held together by threats
and bullying then it should be dissolved altogether and new
arrangements made.

The problem is not so much having an EU, it's *this* EU, this
*corrupt* and *undemocratic* EU.

And FYI, there aren't any "little englanders", and they haven't
sold me anything; I've known about how unfit for purpose the EU
is for many years.

Little Englanders are very much alive and kicking. They are
Farage and Johnson's supporters.

These Litle Englanders seem to forget how, for decades
after the war Britain slipped behind it's European neighbours
economically and was known as the sick man of Europe.

Because the war had been so expensive.

The Little Englanders opposed change

Like hell they did with the slum clearances and council housing.

and in particular change the way the Europeans were doing.

In fact de Gaulle refused to allow Britain to
join and Britain did join after he had died.

In the end, the loss was ours

Yes, but not due to little englanders.

and we had to spend decades
catching up as best as we could.

Yes, but not due to little englanders.