On 8/27/2017 1:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:04:56 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 12:52:56 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

over looked it?

The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.


Im not sure if 15 million dead

Bogus.

Yeah, as usually, Gunner is full of ****.

So ****face....provide cites that dispute these numbers. Double dog
dare you.


http://www.dpcamps.org/jewsvsukrainians.html

1. Stalin imposed a famine-genocide, which took 10 million lives in
1932-33. However, Bauer glossed over and wrote, "By the mid-thirties,
about 160,000 Jews were settled on land [southern Ukraine], 40,000 to
60,00 of them by the JDS." Bauer doesn't tell you that this was to
repopulate the lands were the Ukrainian villages were totally wiped
out by the artificially-created famine, ethnic cleansing of the
Ukrainian population. Occupying the farms of the starved Ukrainians,
the Jews were instrumental in hiding the fact that there was a
genocide. Stalin brought in families from all over Russia to
re-populate the missing, later arranging guided tours of international
news reporters to show them that there was NO starvation here!
Further, Stalin's infamous henchman Lazar Kaganovich, of Jewish
origin, was responsible for collectivization, and engineered the
terrible 1933 famine (Andrew Gregorovich, 1998-2000).

2. During World War II, Ukrainian population lost another 10 million
people. Hitler occupied Ukraine totally, and the well-manicured fields
and villages of Ukraine were repeatedly a battleground. Both Stalin
and Hitler wanted to erase Ukrainians, both burned out Ukraine upon
retreat, leaving uncounted numbers to die from starvation and exposure
in the winter. Subsequently, Stalin publicly listed those casualties
as Russian casualties, not Ukrainian. In later years, Khrushchev
included 16 million civilians. The majority of these victims were
non-Russian, mostly Ukrainians
(http://infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-01.html, 2004).

Ukraine lost more people in WW II than any other European country,
estimated at 11 million people by Stephan G. Prociuk (Annals of the
Ukrainian Academy of Arts and Sciences in the US):
http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-202_162-...assetTypeId=30

"At the end of the war, Ukraine lay in ruins; the populations had
declined by 25 per cent -- that is by approximately 10.5 million
people; 6.8 million killed or died of hunger or disease, and the
remainder had been evacuated or deported to Soviet Asia as political
prisoners or had ended up as slave labor or émigrés in Hitler's
Germany..." wrote Ann Lencyk Pawliczko in Ukraine and Ukrainians
Throughout the World (University of Toronto Press, 1994, p.62).

Still others estimate Ukrainian losses at 13.9 million. "The Museum of
World War II in the capital Kiev has a simple sign on marble which
states: 'In 1940 in Ukraine lived 41.3 million people. In 1945 - 27.4
million people.' About 8 million Ukrainian citizens [not soldiers]
(other estimates say 10 million) were killed in World War II" wrote
Andrew Gregorovich, 1998-2000.

According to the University of Hawaii democide table, Slavs were
killed at twice the rate of the Jews. Also, it shows the heaviest
democide at over 12 million USSR population (Univ. of Hawaii).
Remember, that Ukrainians were listed as citizens of USSR and Poland;
and Hitler occupied Ukraine for 3 years before he entered Russia
proper (NAZIS.TAB1.1.GIF, 2004).

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http://www.dpcamps.org/jewsvsukrainians.html

Up to 30 million people are estimated by Western historians to have
died between 1918 and 1956 in Stalinist repression, civil war, famine
and collectivization,

But *NOT* 15 million in Ukraine alone, Wieber.