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Default How N. Korea suddenly had ICBMs that work

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:12:51 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:42:47 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
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Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:25:01 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
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Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:44:42 -0400, EBsoZZ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??TeRcSC
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Ed Huntress wrote on 8/24/2017 6:42 PM:
If you're interested in this story, it may be in print somewhere, but
it's also in this podcast that you can listen to online, with no
add-on apps:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/p...s-ukraine.html

Hint: They didn't do it themselves.



It is very easy to make a rocket. The difficult part is the flight
control unit that keeps the rocket flying straight and narrow instead of
going in random directions after liftoff and crashing back to earth near
the launchpad.

A modern smartphone has all the sensors required to let the rocket
correct its course and guide itself to its destination.

All you need to do is write an App and send the output to an interface
to control the power of each of the three nozzles (a rocket as no wings
or rudder, so a minimum of three nozzles would be needed to make the
rocket go in any direction you want it to).

North Korea makes smartphones:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10238617/Kim-Jong-un-visits-North-Korean-smartphone-factory.html

Download this Android App (Sensors Multitool) to read the sensors:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wered.sensorsmultitool&hl=en

This "Sensors Multitool" App can read all the sensors in your Android
smartphone (everything you need to guide a missile to its destination):

GPS
Rotation Vector
Linear Acceleration
Gravity
Gyroscope
Accelerometer
Magnetic
Pressure
Orientation

The story is about the engines. N. Korea couldn't get a mid-range
rocket to fire reliably. All of a sudden, they're building ICBMs that
work.

The analysts recently realized why. The engines are Cold-War-Era
Russian -- possibly made in the old Russian heavy-engine factory in
the Ukraine.

I think you mean mean russia, not ukraine.

The factory is a holdover from the Sobiet days. It's in Ukraine.

there is no ukraine. there is only russia.


Blink blink...huh? Might want to tell that to the Ukrainians


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The Ukraine only comprises about 603,550 sq km of land.... maybe he
over looked it?


The russians had no problem walking in and taking over the parts they
wanted with no resistance. Any place that wimpy isn't even a country.



Im not sure if 15 million dead makes em whimpy or not......what do you
think?

http://theweek.com/articles/449691/u...-brief-history

Ukraine's fraught relationship with Russia: A brief history
Theunis Bates

March 8, 2014

Why is Ukraine so important to Russia?
The two neighboring countries have been intertwined for over 1,000
years of tumultuous history. Today, Ukraine is one of Russia's biggest
markets for natural gas exports, a crucial transit route to the rest
of Europe, and home to an estimated 7.5 million ethnic Russians — who
mostly live in eastern Ukraine and the southern region of Crimea. (All
told, about 25 percent of Ukraine's 46 million people claim Russian as
their mother tongue.) Russia lacks natural borders like rivers and
mountains along its western frontier, so "its leaders have
traditionally seen the maintenance of a sphere of influence over the
countries around it as source of security," said David Clark, chairman
of the Russia Foundation, a think tank. That's especially true of
Ukraine, which Russia regards as its little brother. "Everybody knows
that Ukrainians are Russians," said Kremlin adviser Sergei Markov.
"Except for the Galicians" — a reference to the Ukrainian-speaking
residents of western Ukraine.

Why do Russians see Ukraine as theirs?
It's partly because both nations trace their roots back to the first
East Slavic state, Kievan Rus, which stretched from the Baltic to the
Black Sea from the 9th century to the mid-13th century. This medieval
empire was founded, oddly enough, by Vikings — "Rus" is the Slavic
word given to the red-haired Scandinavians — who swept down from the
north in the 9th century, conquered the local Slavic tribes, and
established their capital at Kiev. The kingdom converted to Eastern
Orthodox Christianity in 988, laying the foundation of the modern
Russian church. A French bishop sent to Ukraine reported, "This land
is more unified, happier, stronger, and more civilized than France
herself." But in the 13th century Kiev was devastated by Mongol
invaders, and power shifted north to a small Rus trading outpost
called Moscow.

What happened to Ukraine after Kievan Rus fell?
Its territory was carved up by competing powers, who prized the
fertile plains and rich, dark soil that later earned Ukraine the
nickname "the breadbasket of Europe." Catholic Poland and Lithuania
dominated the country for hundreds of years, but by the end of the
18th century Imperial Russia had grabbed most of Ukraine, except for
Galicia, which was controlled by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The
czars referred to their dominion as "little Russia" and tried to crush
surging Ukrainian nationalism in the 1840s, banning the use of the
Ukrainian language in schools.

How did Ukraine break away?
The first independent Ukrainian state was declared in Kiev in 1917,
following the collapse of the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires at
the end of World War I. That independence was short-lived. The new
country was invaded by Poland, and fought over by forces loyal to the
czar and Moscow's new Bolshevik government, which took power in
Russia's 1918 revolution. By the time Ukraine was incorporated into
the Soviet Union in 1922, its economy was in tatters and its populace
starving. Worse was to come. When Ukrainian peasants refused to join
collective farms in the 1930s, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin
orchestrated mass executions and a famine that killed up to 10 million
people. Afterward, Stalin imported millions of Russians and other
Soviet citizens to help repopulate the coal- and iron-ore-rich east.
This mass migration, said former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Steven
Pifer, helps explain why "the sense of Ukrainian nationalism is not as
deep in the east as it is in the west." World War II exacerbated this
divide.

What happened during the war?
When the Nazis invaded Ukraine in 1941, many locals welcomed the
Germans as liberators from the Soviets, and tens of thousands even
fought alongside them, hoping Adolf Hitler would reward them with an
independent state. Later, when the Nazis began using Ukrainians as
slave labor, about 2.5 million fought for Stalin's Red Army. The
country became one of World War II's bloodiest battlefields. At least
5.3 million Ukrainians died during the war — about one sixth of the
population. About 2.25 million of those killed were Jews, targeted by
both the Nazis and some Ukrainian collaborators. At the end of the
war, Stalin deported tens of thousands of Ukrainians accused of
cooperating with the Nazis to Siberian prison camps, and executed
thousands more.

When did Ukraine become truly independent?
In 1991, more than 90 percent of Ukrainians voted to declare
independence from the crumbling Soviet Union. But Russia continued to
meddle in the country's affairs. In Ukraine's 2004 presidential
election, the Kremlin backed pro-Russian candidate Viktor Yanukovych.
Massive fraud in that election sparked the Orange Revolution, which
kept Yanukovych from power. The failure of subsequent leaders led to
Yanukovych's making a comeback in 2010. But after he canceled a trade
deal with the European Union, he was driven from office again last
month by pro-Western demonstrators. Despite the world's outrage,
Russian President Vladimir Putin is unlikely to let Ukraine leave his
country's orbit. "Russia without Ukraine is a country," explains
Daniel Drezner, an international politics professor at Tufts
University. "Russia with Ukraine is an empire."

Crimea: Khrushchev's mysterious gift
Crimea has become a flash point in the struggle between Kiev and
Moscow, with Russian troops seizing control of the southern peninsula
bordering on the Black Sea. But exactly why this region — which has a
majority ethnic Russian population and is home to Russia's Black Sea
fleet — ended up as part of Ukraine is something of a mystery. The
peninsula had been ruled by Russia for centuries when Soviet leader
Nikita Khrushchev suddenly gifted it to Kiev in 1954. Many Russians
think Khrushchev was drunk when he signed the Crimea away, while
others believe he was trying make amends for the Ukrainian famine. The
handover remains deeply unpopular with ordinary Russians, 56 percent
of whom view Crimea as Russian territory, far more than feel a claim
on Chechnya. "Many see Putin as the one who returned some of Russia's
strengths,'' said Denis Volkov, an independent Russian pollster. "I
think he will use this idea of the loss of the Soviet Union to drum up
support with Crimea."

I should mention, I personally know several Ukrainian immigrants.
Pussies..they are not. Boy howdy no.


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