On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:44:55 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:09:45 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
wrote:

Why,apparently, did both navy ship get damaged so close to the water line?

Look at the bow of the ACX Crystal. See the pointy nose which scraped
the decks? See the bulbous nose beneath that which hit belowdecks?
http://tinyurl.com/yb4ltdv2 and http://tinyurl.com/y8xmr4pp , class
NK bow.

Didn't the freighter and the oil tanker have a high foreward brow?

I haven't seen the second ship yet, but judging by the damage to the
USS John McCain, it looks like the same type of bow. They're seem to
be common. Watch some ship collision vids on Djutube and you'll see
that.


2nd question. How do you lose 10 sailors in possibly a 20-25 mph collision? Is it blut force trauma, or do they drown inside the ship because that section gets sealed off (no escape) to save the rest of the ship.
One of you probably has some educated opinions.

When you ram something through the outer hull, water can flush people
out in an instant, or simply drown them (Fitz). But if anyone was on
the deck, why didn't they warn of the collision before getting
knocked/swept off? (Thereby making themselves unavailable to be
knocked or swept off.)

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What I want to know is why, with several redundant systems and
procedures, did they hit either time?

1) Both ships have crewmen manning the bridge at all times, but no
bridge crewman from either ship spotted the other before collision.

2) Both ships should have their radar turned on 24/7 while underweigh,
yet no radar showed the other ship.

3) The military is at a state of alert now and should have had watches
on every ship, yet no sentries on the military ships spotted anything.
4) Military ships should also have working sonar, yet nothing was
caught.

Altogether, that is so highly improbable that it defies logic unless
both ships were dark (no lights/radar/sonar).

GPS spoofing moves ships into each other, but all those other methods
of watch should have caught the other ship before either collision. Of
course, the report by the captain of the ACX Crystal was pure
make-believe. He flashed them with lights 10 minutes before hitting?
Where was the 12 minutes of fog horn collision warnings, hmmm? You
can't miss those, even through the hull.

I wonder if any of the ships' crew members disappear...


It was reported that the collision took place in Singapore waters and
the position appears to be at the eastern end of the Singapore port
traffic pattern where the Port Authority of Singapore controls all
traffic and monitors all moving shipping by radar.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40995829
shows the position of the Alnic at the time of the collision.

I have also seen what appears to be a radar chart showing all shipping
in and approaching Singapore harbor at the time of the collision,
which shows only the tanker and the Singapore Straits Times reports
that the Harbor Authority states that the Navel Vessel was not
detected by their traffic control radar.
http://tinyurl.com/ya2l4ep3
It has been the law for a number of yours now, that all shipping,
right down to small yachts, are required to have, and operate, a
Automatic Identification System (AIS) in order to enter Singapore
harbor.

About 350 ships arrive in Singapore Port daily.
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Cheers,

Schweik