On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:32:09 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 2:09:49 PM UTC-4, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
Why,apparently, did both navy ship get damaged so close to the water line? Didn't the freighter and the oil tanker have a high foreward brow?
2nd question. How do you lose 10 sailors in possibly a 20-25 mph collision? Is it blut force trauma, or do they drown inside the ship because that section gets sealed off (no escape) to save the rest of the ship.
One of you probably has some educated opinions.
Thanks, Ivan Vegvary

Don't know about the first question - I assume Jon has it correct. As for the second question, the dead were (mostly?) found in their flooded sleeping compartments.

The big question, in my mind, is WTF? don't these ships (both of them) have radar? And don't they have someone watching where they are going? Also, this is supposedly a very busy harbor. Isn't there a harbor master (or whatever such a person is called) keeping an eye on things?

What century is this, anyway?

Singapore is one of the busiest ports in the world and because it is
so congested has a traffic control scheme that manages all ship
traffic within the harbor.

From what I have read if you enter the harbor you are monitored by
shore radar and if you deviate from the traffic scheme you will be
immediately notified by radio and directed to a proper course.

The news reports I've read have been rather vague about the actual
position of the ships, headings, speed, etc., but I did read reference
to "south of Singapore" which may mean that the ships were outside the
traffic control area.

And yes, ships are required by international law to maintain a watch
and to proceed at a reasonable speed and to avoid collisions.

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Cheers,

John B.