On 8/21/2017 9:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:31:05 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:29:10 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop.



Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

But your definition says "personal property used as collateral". UNLESS
the person (personal) is the source manufacturer or they are the original
factory or original retailer, everything is used.

Really? So you would consider the Honda generators in the sealed boxes with
the intact plastic strapping as "used"? What about the Dewalt miter saws in
the sealed boxes, still encased in the shrink-wrap plastic? If it's never
been out of the box, how can it be considered used? Used by who?

If your router is not bought directly from Porter Cable, or one of its
authorized retailers (Home Depot, etc.), it is used.

There is no doubt in my mind that the router I bought at the pawn shop is
used. However, that doesn't mean that *every* router that I buy from a
third party is used. Read on...

Just like the instant a car drives off the dealer's lot, its USED. The
dealer that sold it cannot buy it back the next day and say it is brand new.

Apples and oranges. First off, new cars are indeed driven of the lot and
still sold as new. It's called a test drive. That doesn't typically happen
with a tool. If you test drive a generator or miter saw, the best it'll be
from then on is factory refurbished. But aside from that, in the case of a
car that was sold and then driven by the buyer, there is no argument that it
immediately becomes a used car. It was *used* by someone. On the other hand,
the Honda generators at the pawn shop were never driven. They were never
started. They were never even taken out of the box. In other words, they were never *used*. Heck, from that perspective, they are newer than the new car
that has 100 miles worth of test drives on it.

Technically a vehicle is not considered used until it is titled with
someone's name is on it other than the manufacturer/dealer.
Even long ago the new demo vehicles that I drove up until 6 months or
6,000 miles were considered new since the title was never issued with a
buyers name on it. Warranties were extended the amount of time/miles
that the vehicle was driven up to 6/6K.




How about this: Let's say I buy a miter saw from Home Depot and sell it
to you, unopened, for half price. Would you tell your buddies that you bought
a used miter saw for half the price of a new one or would you tell them that
some idiot sold you a brand new miter saw for half price?