I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

Nice looking router! Looks better than mine!

--
GW Ross

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 8:27:31 PM UTC-4, G Ross wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

Nice looking router! Looks better than mine!

--
GW Ross

Thanks! Interesting thing is that it came with this 5/16" Straight Dovetail
Router Bit with 8mm Shank. There was a guide bushing installed and 8mm reducer
in the 1/2" collet.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/w...ter-bit-8mm-sh

Somebody was doing something special with it, but they didn't do it for
very long. ;-)
There was a guide bushing and 8mm reducer in the 1/2" collet.

On 8/20/17 5:34 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)


You thoroughly suck.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 15:34:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

Nice find! I've had a PC691 (prefer the 'D' handle) for decades.
Great router.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

I've never found anything in a pawn shop that was worth having. Most
of what I've seen is beat up junk and they're asking nearly what a new
one costs (sometimes more). You did good.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 9:24:16 PM UTC-4, -MIKE- wrote:
On 8/20/17 5:34 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)


You thoroughly suck.


Yes...yes I do. ;-)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!



On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop. Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 8:27:31 PM UTC-4, G Ross wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

Nice looking router! Looks better than mine!

--
GW Ross

Thanks! Interesting thing is that it came with this 5/16" Straight Dovetail
Router Bit with 8mm Shank. There was a guide bushing installed and 8mm reducer
in the 1/2" collet.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/w...ter-bit-8mm-sh

Somebody was doing something special with it, but they didn't do it for
very long. ;-)
There was a guide bushing and 8mm reducer in the 1/2" collet.

It's early in the morning, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind
around a straight dovetail. Sorta like a 180 degree angle.

--
GW Ross

On 8/20/2017 11:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop. Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.


Right. Some stuff is shoplifted and never opened when pawned. Must be
a lot of defective chargers too, many of the drills don't have them.

On 8/20/2017 8:07 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 8:27:31 PM UTC-4, G Ross wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

Nice looking router! Looks better than mine!

--
GW Ross

Thanks! Interesting thing is that it came with this 5/16" Straight Dovetail
Router Bit with 8mm Shank. There was a guide bushing installed and 8mm reducer
in the 1/2" collet.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/w...ter-bit-8mm-sh

Somebody was doing something special with it, but they didn't do it for
very long. ;-)
There was a guide bushing and 8mm reducer in the 1/2" collet.


He probably had a Leigh DT jig for sale too. That 8mm bit was a common
size for cutting through dove tails in the Leigh, IIRC.

On 8/21/2017 6:11 AM, G Ross wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 8:27:31 PM UTC-4, G Ross wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and
built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look
on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to
use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot,
etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I
decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to
come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to
be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the
router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is
in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing
sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with
the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

Nice looking router!Â* Looks better than mine!

--
GW Ross

Thanks!Â* Interesting thing is that it came with this 5/16" Straight
Dovetail
Router Bit with 8mm Shank. There was a guide bushing installed and 8mm
reducer
in the 1/2" collet.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/w...ter-bit-8mm-sh


Somebody was doing something special with it, but they didn't do it for
very long. ;-)
There was a guide bushing and 8mm reducer in the 1/2" collet.

It's early in the morning, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind
around a straight dovetail. Sorta like a 180 degree angle.


Leigh Jigs used an 8mm shank straight bit for cutting through dove tails
on their jig.

On 8/20/2017 10:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop. Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.


Yeah! Stolen new items can be pawned too. :!) Typically presents that
were unneeded.

On 8/21/17 7:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/20/2017 11:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were
some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop. Nothing says that only
used items
can be pawned.


Right. Some stuff is shoplifted and never opened when pawned. Must be
a lot of defective chargers too, many of the drills don't have them.


Around here, whenever a musician has any instruments stolen, the first
place you look is the local pawn shops and used music stores.
One particular music shop is notorious for taking in stolen instruments.
You would think for as many times the cops have been called to the place
to release someone's gear, they'd actually penalize the store or do
something about enforcing laws about it.



--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:29:10 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop.



Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

But your definition says "personal property used as collateral". UNLESS the person (personal) is the source manufacturer or they are the original factory or original retailer, everything is used. If your router is not bought directly from Porter Cable, or one of its authorized retailers (Home Depot, etc.), it is used. Just like the instant a car drives off the dealer's lot, its USED. The dealer that sold it cannot buy it back the next day and say it is brand new.

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:

Around here, whenever a musician has any instruments stolen, the first
place you look is the local pawn shops and used music stores.
One particular music shop is notorious for taking in stolen instruments.
You would think for as many times the cops have been called to the place
to release someone's gear, they'd actually penalize the store or do
something about enforcing laws about it.

Here in Texas, pawn shops are carefully controlled and licensed. But, that only keeps the most obvious fencing of stolen goods activity at bay.

Having had enough tools stolen to equip the Corp of Engineers, I don't even go look for my tools when they are stolen. If they are pawned, they can be pawned for 10 days, 14 days, 30 days, or indefinitely. So say the pawned items sit in the back of the pawn shop out of sight for a couple of weeks (or more). Are you going to hit every pawn shop in town looking your tools every day looking for your tools after an undetermined/unknown amount of time passes?

Can't do it, no one has that much time. Even if you find your stuff, which I did one time by accident, it is a chore to get it back. You have to prove it was yours, prove it was stolen, and then get the police involved. If it gets that far and the police determine an item was stolen then the pawnbroker simply gives it back to you. He gets a mark on his record, and isn't in the State's radar unless he has several incidents a year.

To complicate that, they broke up a ring of thieves that were working out of Houston (a 3 1/2 hour drive from here) that were literally raiding construction sites and trailers during the day, then driving their stolen merchandise straight to San Antonio to pawn. Since the local cops don't share the information unless requested, the stolen goods simply fly under the radar and are easily pawned, especially if they are pawned the same day.

When I had a buddy that worked at a pawn shop, he told me that they figure about half to 75% of the stuff they have at any given time was probably stolen.

Robert

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...

I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

***********************

Sounds like you did good. My luck at pawn shops is usually everything I
want is priced higher than new retail and they expect me to be thankful if
they lower the price to new retail for me.

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:

***********************

Sounds like you did good. My luck at pawn shops is usually everything I
want is priced higher than new retail and they expect me to be thankful if
they lower the price to new retail for me.

That's the way it is here, too. They are selling the used tools they have for much more than the price in the stores. I was a more than surprised at that since I could easily go to Home Depot's site online while I was in the store and find the regular price of tools, etc. The clerk I talked to said they expect to take off about 10-20%, and most people think they are getting a deal.

The other side of the equation that he pointed out is that Home Depot won't finance, and they will.

Strangely, one of the last things I bought from a pawn shop is similar to DD's story. I found an older saw that I really wanted on EBAY and bid it up once I found it was located here in my hometown. The ebay ad said no shipping if picked up. I thought was an individual as he answered my questions right away, but nope. It was the EBAY department of one of our local pawn chains. When I picked up the saw, it still had the tag on it that was marked at $50 more (for the store sale) than I paid for it.

A lot of smoke and mirrors, these days.

Robert

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:31:05 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:29:10 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop.



Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

But your definition says "personal property used as collateral". UNLESS
the person (personal) is the source manufacturer or they are the original
factory or original retailer, everything is used.

Really? So you would consider the Honda generators in the sealed boxes with
the intact plastic strapping as "used"? What about the Dewalt miter saws in
the sealed boxes, still encased in the shrink-wrap plastic? If it's never
been out of the box, how can it be considered used? Used by who?

If your router is not bought directly from Porter Cable, or one of its
authorized retailers (Home Depot, etc.), it is used.

There is no doubt in my mind that the router I bought at the pawn shop is
used. However, that doesn't mean that *every* router that I buy from a
third party is used. Read on...

Just like the instant a car drives off the dealer's lot, its USED. The
dealer that sold it cannot buy it back the next day and say it is brand new.

Apples and oranges. First off, new cars are indeed driven of the lot and
still sold as new. It's called a test drive. That doesn't typically happen
with a tool. If you test drive a generator or miter saw, the best it'll be
from then on is factory refurbished. But aside from that, in the case of a
car that was sold and then driven by the buyer, there is no argument that it
immediately becomes a used car. It was *used* by someone. On the other hand,
the Honda generators at the pawn shop were never driven. They were never
started. They were never even taken out of the box. In other words, they were never *used*. Heck, from that perspective, they are newer than the new car
that has 100 miles worth of test drives on it.

How about this: Let's say I buy a miter saw from Home Depot and sell it
to you, unopened, for half price. Would you tell your buddies that you bought
a used miter saw for half the price of a new one or would you tell them that
some idiot sold you a brand new miter saw for half price?

On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:18:38 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 8/20/2017 8:07 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 8:27:31 PM UTC-4, G Ross wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

Nice looking router! Looks better than mine!

--
GW Ross

Thanks! Interesting thing is that it came with this 5/16" Straight Dovetail
Router Bit with 8mm Shank. There was a guide bushing installed and 8mm reducer
in the 1/2" collet.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/w...ter-bit-8mm-sh

Somebody was doing something special with it, but they didn't do it for
very long. ;-)
There was a guide bushing and 8mm reducer in the 1/2" collet.


He probably had a Leigh DT jig for sale too. That 8mm bit was a common
size for cutting through dove tails in the Leigh, IIRC.

8mm is a common shank for Festool routers, too. Maybe his other
router was a Festool. ;-)

On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:

Around here, whenever a musician has any instruments stolen, the first
place you look is the local pawn shops and used music stores.
One particular music shop is notorious for taking in stolen instruments.
You would think for as many times the cops have been called to the place
to release someone's gear, they'd actually penalize the store or do
something about enforcing laws about it.

Here in Texas, pawn shops are carefully controlled and licensed. But, that only keeps the most obvious fencing of stolen goods activity at bay.

Having had enough tools stolen to equip the Corp of Engineers, I don't even go look for my tools when they are stolen. If they are pawned, they can be pawned for 10 days, 14 days, 30 days, or indefinitely. So say the pawned items sit in the back of the pawn shop out of sight for a couple of weeks (or more). Are you going to hit every pawn shop in town looking your tools every day looking for your tools after an undetermined/unknown amount of time passes?

How about spraying all your tools hot pink? No one would steal them
and if they did, no one would buy them from a pawn shop. Sorta the
Joe Arpaio theft defense.

Can't do it, no one has that much time. Even if you find your stuff, which I did one time by accident, it is a chore to get it back. You have to prove it was yours, prove it was stolen, and then get the police involved. If it gets that far and the police determine an item was stolen then the pawnbroker simply gives it back to you. He gets a mark on his record, and isn't in the State's radar unless he has several incidents a year.

To complicate that, they broke up a ring of thieves that were working out of Houston (a 3 1/2 hour drive from here) that were literally raiding construction sites and trailers during the day, then driving their stolen merchandise straight to San Antonio to pawn. Since the local cops don't share the information unless requested, the stolen goods simply fly under the radar and are easily pawned, especially if they are pawned the same day.

When I had a buddy that worked at a pawn shop, he told me that they figure about half to 75% of the stuff they have at any given time was probably stolen.

Robert

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:10:36 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:

Around here, whenever a musician has any instruments stolen, the first
place you look is the local pawn shops and used music stores.
One particular music shop is notorious for taking in stolen instruments.
You would think for as many times the cops have been called to the place
to release someone's gear, they'd actually penalize the store or do
something about enforcing laws about it.

Here in Texas, pawn shops are carefully controlled and licensed. But, that only keeps the most obvious fencing of stolen goods activity at bay.

Having had enough tools stolen to equip the Corp of Engineers, I don't even go look for my tools when they are stolen. If they are pawned, they can be pawned for 10 days, 14 days, 30 days, or indefinitely. So say the pawned items sit in the back of the pawn shop out of sight for a couple of weeks (or more). Are you going to hit every pawn shop in town looking your tools every day looking for your tools after an undetermined/unknown amount of time passes?

How about spraying all your tools hot pink? No one would steal them
and if they did, no one would buy them from a pawn shop. Sorta the
Joe Arpaio theft defense.


Tried "Mary Kay" pink, hot pink, gremlin green, and an awful color of purple. Doesn't slow anyone down. Your tools look like ****, I hated using them and they were stolen just the same. Tons of tools out there safety orange and hot pink. The problem is that no matter how annoying the color is, most can be wiped off at with some mineral spirits. Or they take a tiny bit less at the pawn shop. Worse, no matter how unusual the color, it doesn't prove ownership.

We used to put our SS# on our tools. Imagine that now...

Then we put our phone numbers on them, and people ground them off (aluminum housing, less than 5 minutes, plastic a couple with sandpaper) so no one marks against theft anymore.

We spray some of our tools and mark some of them if we are working on sites with others just so we can keep them separate, but it has little to do with theft protection.

I would like to have some kind of device that would cripple or maim the thief. I cannot tell you how completely delighted I was when the police found me after canvassing our neighborhood to find the owners of stolen property. When talking to the police, the way they "caught" the thieves was by chasing them down (two on a motorcycle with a couple of pillow cases full of stuff) and in the heat of the chase they had a wreck that hospitalized them both, and nearly killed one.

I think the police was a little disturbed when I told him "too bad you guys didn't run over them". But, that time I got my 1/2 sheet sander back. Funny, when I told my fellow contractors about the motorcycle wreck and the near death of one of them, they all expressed their disappointment (and the bad luck) at the lack of a fatality as well.

Robert

On 8/21/2017 10:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:



While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop.



Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

But your definition says "personal property used as collateral". UNLESS
the person (personal) is the source manufacturer or they are the original
factory or original retailer, everything is used.

Really? So you would consider the Honda generators in the sealed boxes with
the intact plastic strapping as "used"? What about the Dewalt miter saws in
the sealed boxes, still encased in the shrink-wrap plastic? If it's never
been out of the box, how can it be considered used? Used by who?

If your router is not bought directly from Porter Cable, or one of its
authorized retailers (Home Depot, etc.), it is used.

There is no doubt in my mind that the router I bought at the pawn shop is
used. However, that doesn't mean that *every* router that I buy from a
third party is used. Read on...

Just like the instant a car drives off the dealer's lot, its USED. The
dealer that sold it cannot buy it back the next day and say it is brand new.

Previously titled = used




How about this: Let's say I buy a miter saw from Home Depot and sell it
to you, unopened, for half price. Would you tell your buddies that you bought
a used miter saw for half the price of a new one or would you tell them that
some idiot sold you a brand new miter saw for half price?


Substitute "pre-owned"

Reality is, if it is brand new in a pawn shop it falls into two
categories. New, as in the dealer bought it through regular channels,
perhaps as a clearance item. The other is stolen. No one is going to
Home Depot and buying a $100 tool and taking it to a pawn shop to borrow
$35 on it.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 9:02:46 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/21/2017 10:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:



While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop.



Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

But your definition says "personal property used as collateral". UNLESS
the person (personal) is the source manufacturer or they are the original
factory or original retailer, everything is used.

Really? So you would consider the Honda generators in the sealed boxes with
the intact plastic strapping as "used"? What about the Dewalt miter saws in
the sealed boxes, still encased in the shrink-wrap plastic? If it's never
been out of the box, how can it be considered used? Used by who?

If your router is not bought directly from Porter Cable, or one of its
authorized retailers (Home Depot, etc.), it is used.

There is no doubt in my mind that the router I bought at the pawn shop is
used. However, that doesn't mean that *every* router that I buy from a
third party is used. Read on...

Just like the instant a car drives off the dealer's lot, its USED. The
dealer that sold it cannot buy it back the next day and say it is brand new.

Previously titled = used




How about this: Let's say I buy a miter saw from Home Depot and sell it
to you, unopened, for half price. Would you tell your buddies that you bought
a used miter saw for half the price of a new one or would you tell them that
some idiot sold you a brand new miter saw for half price?


Substitute "pre-owned"

Reality is, if it is brand new in a pawn shop it falls into two
categories.

Thank you making my point. There are indeed brand new items in pawn shops,
contrary to what russell claims.

New, as in the dealer bought it through regular channels, perhaps as a
clearance item. The other is stolen. No one is going to Home Depot and
buying a $100 tool and taking it to a pawn shop to borrow $35 on it.

While those 2 reasons probably cover many of the new items found in a pawn
shop, there are other ways for a brand new item to end up there.

If you've ever bought a "new" item on eBay or Craigslist, you know that there
are indeed people that buy an item, never use it and then choose to get
rid of it. I bought a brand new power washer and a brand new bike rack on
Craigslist. Regular folks, an old guy and a young couple. I seriously doubt
the items were stolen. These folks could have chosen to take the items to a
pawn shop and sold them - not borrowed on them, but sold them for the cash,
quick and easy.

An item could also have been a gift that they had no need for. Once again,
take the item to a pawn shop and sell it. Quick and easy and the seller
is ahead by the cash they received because they never laid out any money
for the item.

On 8/21/2017 11:27 PM, wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:10:36 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:

Around here, whenever a musician has any instruments stolen, the first
place you look is the local pawn shops and used music stores.
One particular music shop is notorious for taking in stolen instruments.
You would think for as many times the cops have been called to the place
to release someone's gear, they'd actually penalize the store or do
something about enforcing laws about it.

Here in Texas, pawn shops are carefully controlled and licensed. But, that only keeps the most obvious fencing of stolen goods activity at bay.

Having had enough tools stolen to equip the Corp of Engineers, I don't even go look for my tools when they are stolen. If they are pawned, they can be pawned for 10 days, 14 days, 30 days, or indefinitely. So say the pawned items sit in the back of the pawn shop out of sight for a couple of weeks (or more). Are you going to hit every pawn shop in town looking your tools every day looking for your tools after an undetermined/unknown amount of time passes?

How about spraying all your tools hot pink? No one would steal them
and if they did, no one would buy them from a pawn shop. Sorta the
Joe Arpaio theft defense.


Tried "Mary Kay" pink, hot pink, gremlin green, and an awful color of purple. Doesn't slow anyone down. Your tools look like ****, I hated using them and they were stolen just the same. Tons of tools out there safety orange and hot pink. The problem is that no matter how annoying the color is, most can be wiped off at with some mineral spirits. Or they take a tiny bit less at the pawn shop. Worse, no matter how unusual the color, it doesn't prove ownership.

We used to put our SS# on our tools. Imagine that now...

Then we put our phone numbers on them, and people ground them off (aluminum housing, less than 5 minutes, plastic a couple with sandpaper) so no one marks against theft anymore.

We spray some of our tools and mark some of them if we are working on sites with others just so we can keep them separate, but it has little to do with theft protection.

I would like to have some kind of device that would cripple or maim the thief. I cannot tell you how completely delighted I was when the police found me after canvassing our neighborhood to find the owners of stolen property. When talking to the police, the way they "caught" the thieves was by chasing them down (two on a motorcycle with a couple of pillow cases full of stuff) and in the heat of the chase they had a wreck that hospitalized them both, and nearly killed one.

I think the police was a little disturbed when I told him "too bad you guys didn't run over them". But, that time I got my 1/2 sheet sander back. Funny, when I told my fellow contractors about the motorcycle wreck and the near death of one of them, they all expressed their disappointment (and the bad luck) at the lack of a fatality as well.

Robert


A well hidden GPS device hidden inside the tool, similar to the where is
my iPhone app, might be helpful.

On 8/21/2017 9:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:31:05 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:29:10 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop.



Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

But your definition says "personal property used as collateral". UNLESS
the person (personal) is the source manufacturer or they are the original
factory or original retailer, everything is used.

Really? So you would consider the Honda generators in the sealed boxes with
the intact plastic strapping as "used"? What about the Dewalt miter saws in
the sealed boxes, still encased in the shrink-wrap plastic? If it's never
been out of the box, how can it be considered used? Used by who?

If your router is not bought directly from Porter Cable, or one of its
authorized retailers (Home Depot, etc.), it is used.

There is no doubt in my mind that the router I bought at the pawn shop is
used. However, that doesn't mean that *every* router that I buy from a
third party is used. Read on...

Just like the instant a car drives off the dealer's lot, its USED. The
dealer that sold it cannot buy it back the next day and say it is brand new.

Apples and oranges. First off, new cars are indeed driven of the lot and
still sold as new. It's called a test drive. That doesn't typically happen
with a tool. If you test drive a generator or miter saw, the best it'll be
from then on is factory refurbished. But aside from that, in the case of a
car that was sold and then driven by the buyer, there is no argument that it
immediately becomes a used car. It was *used* by someone. On the other hand,
the Honda generators at the pawn shop were never driven. They were never
started. They were never even taken out of the box. In other words, they were never *used*. Heck, from that perspective, they are newer than the new car
that has 100 miles worth of test drives on it.

Technically a vehicle is not considered used until it is titled with
someone's name is on it other than the manufacturer/dealer.
Even long ago the new demo vehicles that I drove up until 6 months or
6,000 miles were considered new since the title was never issued with a
buyers name on it. Warranties were extended the amount of time/miles
that the vehicle was driven up to 6/6K.




How about this: Let's say I buy a miter saw from Home Depot and sell it
to you, unopened, for half price. Would you tell your buddies that you bought
a used miter saw for half the price of a new one or would you tell them that
some idiot sold you a brand new miter saw for half price?

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 8/21/2017 9:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:31:05 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:29:10 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop.



Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

But your definition says "personal property used as collateral". UNLESS
the person (personal) is the source manufacturer or they are the original
factory or original retailer, everything is used.

Really? So you would consider the Honda generators in the sealed boxes with
the intact plastic strapping as "used"? What about the Dewalt miter saws in
the sealed boxes, still encased in the shrink-wrap plastic? If it's never
been out of the box, how can it be considered used? Used by who?

If your router is not bought directly from Porter Cable, or one of its
authorized retailers (Home Depot, etc.), it is used.

There is no doubt in my mind that the router I bought at the pawn shop is
used. However, that doesn't mean that *every* router that I buy from a
third party is used. Read on...

Just like the instant a car drives off the dealer's lot, its USED. The
dealer that sold it cannot buy it back the next day and say it is brand new.

Apples and oranges. First off, new cars are indeed driven of the lot and
still sold as new. It's called a test drive. That doesn't typically happen
with a tool. If you test drive a generator or miter saw, the best it'll be
from then on is factory refurbished. But aside from that, in the case of a
car that was sold and then driven by the buyer, there is no argument that it
immediately becomes a used car. It was *used* by someone. On the other hand,
the Honda generators at the pawn shop were never driven. They were never
started. They were never even taken out of the box. In other words, they were never *used*. Heck, from that perspective, they are newer than the new car
that has 100 miles worth of test drives on it.

Technically a vehicle is not considered used until it is titled with
someone's name is on it other than the manufacturer/dealer.
Even long ago the new demo vehicles that I drove up until 6 months or
6,000 miles were considered new since the title was never issued with a
buyers name on it. Warranties were extended the amount of time/miles
that the vehicle was driven up to 6/6K.


I agree. It's russel that said: "Just like the instant a car drives off
the dealer's lot, its USED."

On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:27:26 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:10:36 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:

Around here, whenever a musician has any instruments stolen, the first
place you look is the local pawn shops and used music stores.
One particular music shop is notorious for taking in stolen instruments.
You would think for as many times the cops have been called to the place
to release someone's gear, they'd actually penalize the store or do
something about enforcing laws about it.

Here in Texas, pawn shops are carefully controlled and licensed. But, that only keeps the most obvious fencing of stolen goods activity at bay.

Having had enough tools stolen to equip the Corp of Engineers, I don't even go look for my tools when they are stolen. If they are pawned, they can be pawned for 10 days, 14 days, 30 days, or indefinitely. So say the pawned items sit in the back of the pawn shop out of sight for a couple of weeks (or more). Are you going to hit every pawn shop in town looking your tools every day looking for your tools after an undetermined/unknown amount of time passes?

How about spraying all your tools hot pink? No one would steal them
and if they did, no one would buy them from a pawn shop. Sorta the
Joe Arpaio theft defense.


Tried "Mary Kay" pink, hot pink, gremlin green, and an awful color of purple. Doesn't slow anyone down. Your tools look like ****, I hated using them and they were stolen just the same. Tons of tools out there safety orange and hot pink. The problem is that no matter how annoying the color is, most can be wiped off at with some mineral spirits. Or they take a tiny bit less at the pawn shop. Worse, no matter how unusual the color, it doesn't prove ownership.

I was thinking of something a bit more permanent but then again,
modern tools sorta look like they were designed by Joe Arpaio. Lime
green? Really?

We used to put our SS# on our tools. Imagine that now...

How about your company's tax ID number?

Then we put our phone numbers on them, and people ground them off (aluminum housing, less than 5 minutes, plastic a couple with sandpaper) so no one marks against theft anymore.

We spray some of our tools and mark some of them if we are working on sites with others just so we can keep them separate, but it has little to do with theft protection.

I would like to have some kind of device that would cripple or maim the thief. I cannot tell you how completely delighted I was when the police found me after canvassing our neighborhood to find the owners of stolen property. When talking to the police, the way they "caught" the thieves was by chasing them down (two on a motorcycle with a couple of pillow cases full of stuff) and in the heat of the chase they had a wreck that hospitalized them both, and nearly killed one.

I think the police was a little disturbed when I told him "too bad you guys didn't run over them". But, that time I got my 1/2 sheet sander back. Funny, when I told my fellow contractors about the motorcycle wreck and the near death of one of them, they all expressed their disappointment (and the bad luck) at the lack of a fatality as well.

Robert

On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 15:00:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 8/21/2017 9:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 1:31:05 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:29:10 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:59:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I bought a Woodpecker router table insert for my PC 690 router and built
a router table extension for my table saw. I decided to look on-line for a
spare base so I wouldn't have to take the base off of the table to use the
router by hand.

The bases are readily available on eBay, tool sites, Home Depot, etc. They
go for anywhere from $70-$80 once you include shipping and tax. I decided
to try my local Craiglist and found a base that just happened to come with
a PC690LR router for $60. I called the number and it turned out to be a
pawn shop.

I went to the store, and after a little negotiation, I got the router and
a Dewalt D26453 Variable Speed ROS for $80, no tax. The router is in better
shape than mine and the sander looks barely used.

http://i.imgur.com/CN8IcZL.jpg?1

I could've spent a lot more money at that pawn shop. The tool section
takes up about 1/3 of the store. Nice neighborhood too, nothing sketchy.
I'll definitely be going back to shop some more.

(I'm going to try an adapt an old miter saw dust bag for use with the ROS.
If it doesn't work, eBay has them for $14.)

You said Pawn Shop. That means used. Those look brand spanking new!


Not true. (The "used" part)

From Wikipedia:

"A pawnbroker is an individual or business (pawnshop or pawn shop) that
offers secured loans to people, with items of personal property used as
collateral."

While neither of the tools I bought were in fact brand new, there were some
brand new, unopened items in the pawn shop.



Nothing says that only used items
can be pawned.

But your definition says "personal property used as collateral". UNLESS
the person (personal) is the source manufacturer or they are the original
factory or original retailer, everything is used.

Really? So you would consider the Honda generators in the sealed boxes with
the intact plastic strapping as "used"? What about the Dewalt miter saws in
the sealed boxes, still encased in the shrink-wrap plastic? If it's never
been out of the box, how can it be considered used? Used by who?

If your router is not bought directly from Porter Cable, or one of its
authorized retailers (Home Depot, etc.), it is used.

There is no doubt in my mind that the router I bought at the pawn shop is
used. However, that doesn't mean that *every* router that I buy from a
third party is used. Read on...

Just like the instant a car drives off the dealer's lot, its USED. The
dealer that sold it cannot buy it back the next day and say it is brand new.

Apples and oranges. First off, new cars are indeed driven of the lot and
still sold as new. It's called a test drive. That doesn't typically happen
with a tool. If you test drive a generator or miter saw, the best it'll be
from then on is factory refurbished. But aside from that, in the case of a
car that was sold and then driven by the buyer, there is no argument that it
immediately becomes a used car. It was *used* by someone. On the other hand,
the Honda generators at the pawn shop were never driven. They were never
started. They were never even taken out of the box. In other words, they were never *used*. Heck, from that perspective, they are newer than the new car
that has 100 miles worth of test drives on it.

Technically a vehicle is not considered used until it is titled with
someone's name is on it other than the manufacturer/dealer.
Even long ago the new demo vehicles that I drove up until 6 months or
6,000 miles were considered new since the title was never issued with a
buyers name on it. Warranties were extended the amount of time/miles
that the vehicle was driven up to 6/6K.

I believe it's the same in most states. However, where I've lived,
vehicles used in a "rental" fleet, even if the rental rate is zero
(loaner), are required to be registered as a rental vehicle.

On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 21:27:26 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

I would like to have some kind of device that would cripple or maim=
the thief.

Or a rfid chip tune to the tool, but then they make it a ring and
rings and a contruction workers is a bad idea. Then the laywers get
ahold of it and we have lousy infomercial of the TV.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 7:30:19 PM UTC-5, wrote:

We used to put our SS# on our tools. Imagine that now...

How about your company's tax ID number?

I know that must be tongue in cheek...

Giving away your tax ID number to anyone and everyone give any hacker, malware user, lurker, etc., a great place to start to access your company business and its financial accounts.

I know that the group here have only been employees of the highest moral values with unquestionable integrity... but...

What if you had an employee or subcontractor that you wrote a check to? He then has your bank, your account number, the routing number, etc. Truthfully, you give away your ID# when you issue a W2 or 1099. But after going to a couple of business online security classes, they have found that direct employees are not as likely to be the culprit of identity theft as someone you don't know. So drinking beer with the guys one night, someone notices your Federal Tax ID# on a drill, and says... "hey... is that Robert's company tax ID?"

Let your mind wander. There is a reason you see as little personal/private information available anywhere, only as needed. Giving up my tax ID# is no different than you putting your SS# on your stuff. A company is an entity; it has credit, pays taxes, has liabilities and can enter into transactions.

Like you, even though your SS# is easily found and known by your employers, banks, governmental benefit institutions, anyone that pays you interest and on and on... you still don't feel good about putting it on your car as a bumper sticker for everyone to see, right?

I don't tools scattered across a job with that information on them, or stolen to get it.

Oh yeah... the green? It was this color, and I covered the tools with it:

http://wallpapercave.com/wp/ZYOoTF8.jpg

Robert

On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:59:08 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 7:30:19 PM UTC-5, wrote:

We used to put our SS# on our tools. Imagine that now...

How about your company's tax ID number?

I know that must be tongue in cheek...

Giving away your tax ID number to anyone and everyone give any hacker, malware user, lurker, etc., a great place to start to access your company business and its financial accounts.

Don't you already give it to every one of your suppliers and
contractors?

I know that the group here have only been employees of the highest moral values with unquestionable integrity... but...

What if you had an employee or subcontractor that you wrote a check to? He then has your bank, your account number, the routing number, etc. Truthfully, you give away your ID# when you issue a W2 or 1099. But after going to a couple of business online security classes, they have found that direct employees are not as likely to be the culprit of identity theft as someone you don't know. So drinking beer with the guys one night, someone notices your Federal Tax ID# on a drill, and says... "hey... is that Robert's company tax ID?"

Let your mind wander. There is a reason you see as little personal/private information available anywhere, only as needed. Giving up my tax ID# is no different than you putting your SS# on your stuff. A company is an entity; it has credit, pays taxes, has liabilities and can enter into transactions.

Like you, even though your SS# is easily found and known by your employers, banks, governmental benefit institutions, anyone that pays you interest and on and on... you still don't feel good about putting it on your car as a bumper sticker for everyone to see, right?

I don't tools scattered across a job with that information on them, or stolen to get it.

Oh yeah... the green? It was this color, and I covered the tools with it:

http://wallpapercave.com/wp/ZYOoTF8.jpg

How do you like your Ryobi tools? ;-)

On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 9:55:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Don't you already give it to every one of your suppliers and
contractors?


Acknowledged. But as I said, " Truthfully, you give away your ID# when you issue a W2 or 1099. But after going to a couple of business online security classes, they have found that direct employees are not as likely to be the culprit of identity theft as someone you don't know."

To reinforce my point, EVERYONE has more info than I want them to when I write them a check. Account number, routing numbers, my address, and the correct styling of the account name. Knowing at a bank that anyone could have that, you aren't likely to get much out of it. But my local bank will give me access to my business account if I forget my PIN by giving them my tax ID#. They aren't supposed to, but I have turned them into their internal security because they did it TWICE. I didn't catch it the first time, but it dawned on me a couple of days later what they did. I called a second time to see if they would repeat it and they did. My business account now has 3 security questions as well as my SS# tagged to it if I cannot find my tax ID.

The point with not having it all over the tools is to keep the more honest people honest, and to keep the rest from having any really bright ideas. It's just a small layer I know, but at an anti-theft seminar I attended with my fellow contractors put on by the police department, they told us to not put any info we wanted to keep anywhere near private. The police department's suggestion? The company phone number.

Like you, even though your SS# is easily found and known by your employers, banks, governmental benefit institutions, anyone that pays you interest and on and on... you still don't feel good about putting it on your car as a bumper sticker for everyone to see, right?


Just to reinforce my point...

Oh yeah... the green? It was this color, and I covered the tools with it:

http://wallpapercave.com/wp/ZYOoTF8.jpg

How do you like your Ryobi tools? ;-)

LOL. I didn't think of that. If I was using that color today, no one would have a clue they weren't purchased that way.

Today, I don't paint my tools or mark them. The last 30 years has taught me it is pointless. You can't imagine how completely, entirely, openly ****ed off the cops are when you call them out because someone stole a drill, a nail gun, a saw and some air lines.

The last time I called them, the very ****ed off officer SIGNED THE POLICE REPORT, handed it back to me, and TOLD ME TO MAIL TO HIM WHEN I HAD IT FILLED OUT. He told me he couldn't believe I called him out over such piddly ****. In the end, he was right. I didn't make my deductible, so it was my loss alone.

I gave up on keeping nice tools long term on a job site or in my truck. I keep my nice tools as close to me as possible, and best rarely go to the job site.

Robert

The other issue is they might buy stuff and have you pay the sales taxes.
simple as that can be dangerous.

Martin

On 8/22/2017 11:59 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 7:30:19 PM UTC-5, wrote:

We used to put our SS# on our tools. Imagine that now...

How about your company's tax ID number?

I know that must be tongue in cheek...

Giving away your tax ID number to anyone and everyone give any hacker, malware user, lurker, etc., a great place to start to access your company business and its financial accounts.

I know that the group here have only been employees of the highest moral values with unquestionable integrity... but...

What if you had an employee or subcontractor that you wrote a check to? He then has your bank, your account number, the routing number, etc. Truthfully, you give away your ID# when you issue a W2 or 1099. But after going to a couple of business online security classes, they have found that direct employees are not as likely to be the culprit of identity theft as someone you don't know. So drinking beer with the guys one night, someone notices your Federal Tax ID# on a drill, and says... "hey... is that Robert's company tax ID?"

Let your mind wander. There is a reason you see as little personal/private information available anywhere, only as needed. Giving up my tax ID# is no different than you putting your SS# on your stuff. A company is an entity; it has credit, pays taxes, has liabilities and can enter into transactions.

Like you, even though your SS# is easily found and known by your employers, banks, governmental benefit institutions, anyone that pays you interest and on and on... you still don't feel good about putting it on your car as a bumper sticker for everyone to see, right?

I don't tools scattered across a job with that information on them, or stolen to get it.

Oh yeah... the green? It was this color, and I covered the tools with it:

http://wallpapercave.com/wp/ZYOoTF8.jpg

Robert

replying to DerbyDad03, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
For a while I worked for a law firm. I'm not a paralegal or anything and am
not really involved in the legal profession. Imagine my amazement [read:
appalled] when I got to see that particular industry from the inside...
Anyway, my point here is not to confuse the 'conversational' definition of a
word with its 'legal' definition. They are so different as to make your head
spin. Comparing the word 'used' from how normal, reasonable people think of it
to the molestation of a word that the legal community has twisted it to be
would be a very bad idea. Publicity, an attorney will tell you that "Legal
Language has a purpose, and that is to provide a common verbal base to
concepts in order to protect all parties concerned."
But, once they are back at the office, you will find out the truth; that the
real purpose is so only three parties understand what is being said €” the
counsel for the Plaintiff, the counsel for the Defendant & the Judge. For ALL
other parties, that set of twisted language is purely for the purpose of
ensuring that no one else understands what the he|| is being said.
The bottom line here?
When you see something described from a legal/contractual standpoint, it's
simply better to assume that you really have no idea what you just heard/read
truly meant.

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for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodwo...os-810468-.htm

replying to Markem, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
Speaking of Lawyers,
What do you know when you see 75 lawyers buried /up to their necks /in
concrete?


You've got a Contractor that can't figure a load of concrete correctly...

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for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodwo...os-810468-.htm

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 19:44:02 GMT, Woodworker_by_choice
m wrote:

replying to Markem, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
Speaking of Lawyers,
What do you know when you see 75 lawyers buried /up to their necks /in
concrete?


You've got a Contractor that can't figure a load of concrete correctly...
AKA "a good start"

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 3:44:07 PM UTC-4, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
replying to Markem, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
Speaking of Lawyers,
What do you know when you see 75 lawyers buried /up to their necks /in
concrete?


You've got a Contractor that can't figure a load of concrete correctly...


Actually, leaving their heads exposed means his calculations were perfect.

Just consider the advantages/possibilities.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 3:44:07 PM UTC-4, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
replying to Markem, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
Speaking of Lawyers,
What do you know when you see 75 lawyers buried /up to their necks /in
concrete?


You've got a Contractor that can't figure a load of concrete correctly...


Actually, leaving their heads exposed means his calculations were perfect.

Just consider the advantages/possibilities.

Miniature golf course?

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 11:04:04 PM UTC-4, Markem wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 3:44:07 PM UTC-4, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
replying to Markem, Woodworker_by_choice wrote:
Speaking of Lawyers,
What do you know when you see 75 lawyers buried /up to their necks /in
concrete?


You've got a Contractor that can't figure a load of concrete correctly...


Actually, leaving their heads exposed means his calculations were perfect.

Just consider the advantages/possibilities.

Miniature golf course?

Too gentle. Bowling, at a minimum.