On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 10:59:59 PM UTC-4, RonNNN wrote:
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On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 10:11:52 PM UTC-4, RonNNN wrote:
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On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 3:12:13 PM UTC-4, RonNNN wrote:
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I was trying to look up the specific part at part
stores, but didn't get past that there is no 1995 Pontiac GT. Was that a Firebird Transam GT or
something? I think you have to be careful with just general google searches because a lot of time
they come back with hits for aftermarket things
you could add, ie generic extra widgets, that are
not part of the car.

From some other googling, I found at least one
place that said that some cars do have the system
these guys are talking about, where they just
modulate the air flow and don't control the coolant
flow. That kind of design doesn't make any sense
to me for the reasons cited. But I still doubt
Clare's position that the vast majority of cars
are built that way now. Also, IDK what exactly
"now" means. If this big shift has occurerd, I
think it has to be only in much more recent years,
not back in 1995. The designs I've seen, the air
flowed through both the heating and cooling cores
and the coolant through both cores mas modulated
by valves according to need for heat or cooling.

Your expertise in automotive is severely lacking, so I'd *suggest* you
stick to topics that you know a little better.

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RonNNN

ROFL!

Here's a link to a heater valve for BMWs:

BMW Heater Control Valve (X5 X6) - Genuine BMW 64116910544

FOR BMW E53 E70 F15 X5 00-15 E71 F16 X6

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...ve-64116910544

And that fits many current models, not 20 year olds.

Here's one for a very popular high volume car,the Honda Accord,
2014 model:


HONDA OEM 2014 Accord-Heater Control Valve 79715T3VA01

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONDA-OEM-20...hY62Pl&vxp=mtr


And Ed has posted many links too that show heater valves for autos. Those two above are particularly definitive to the issue at hand
because one fits most late model BMWs built in the past 5 years
or so, the other fits the Honda Accord. I looked for a 2014 model
specifically. So there you have it, lots of late model cars have
them. Lots of cars, most cars, had them 20 years ago too.


It's you who offers up nothing burgers. You said
your 1995 Pontiac GT didn't have one. I went to the online parts
stores, there is no 1995 Pontiac GT. It may be a Firebird variant
or something, but nothing comes up as a GT, so I couldn't check
it out any further. Like I said, you just need to look harder.

I offered up *nothing* other than to say a heater core will still leak
whether there is flow or not. I've worked on cars/trucks that had heater
control valves and cars/trucks that didn't have heater control valves. I
think you are confusing who said what/when/and where.

Again, I *suggest* you stick to topics you know.

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RonNNN

Then why are youjumping on me with your nasty condescending
reply and not suggesting that to Clare?
He's the one that said modern cars pretty much don't have heater
valves anymore.
I posted links that show most, maybe all late model BMWs have
them. Current Honda Accords, how many millions of those are
there, have them. Ed also posted links showing many cars
have them. And you want to claim that I'm the one that
doesn't know what they are talking about? Unbelievable!

I won't even try to claim more or less cars use heater control valves
these days, it's irrelevant to whether a heater core will leak of not

Then why are you here, bitching at me? That was the issue
being debated. Clare made the claim that most cars no longer
use them, between him and Vic, they were making the case that
it's old, went out years ago.



whether it uses one or not. From what I've read, Clare was/is in that
line of work, and I would put more faith in what he says along automotive
lines than I would yours.

Clare has made an ass of himself here many times over the years.
And he remains ignorant, because anyone that shows him the facts,
he puts them in his kill file.

You can believe whatever you please. I provided you with links
that show most, maybe all, modern BMWs use heater valves and
that the Honda Accord, a very popular car uses them today too.
What data other than his flapping gums has he given you?



As I've said, it was my lifelong business until
I retired a few years ago.


And you don't know yourself how many cars use them?
WTF?



You guys want to *shift* the conversation to fit your needs, but can't
stand the facts as they apply to the subject at hand.

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RonNNN

You're so full of ****. Clare made the claim. I challenged it
and I backed it up with facts, links, that show BMW uses
heater valves, Honda too. Ed provided data too. Who else does
or doesn't IDK, but it's enough to show that Clare is wrong,
that they are not a relic. And I didn't shift the discussion.
BTW, where are your links, genius?