On Tuesday, 17 January 2017 15:38:23 UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
On 17/01/17 13:11, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 17/01/17 12:41, DerbyBorn wrote:
at one time with turntables we used to study specifications looking at
Wow
and Flutter, Rumble and other characterisitics.

You can now buy a turntable for about £50 to output to a MP3 file..

Are they rubbish

Vinyl surface noises sounds horrible when compressed at low bit rates
and cartridges in cheap decks will almost certainly be ceramic.

The MP3 result will be lifeless if there was any life in the original
studio performance.

That might not matter ...


It makes me laugh when I see the vinyl record hipster stores - because
half the people buying vinyl probably have a POS toy turntable with a
cheap ceramic cartridge, unbalanced turntable with all the wow and
flutter possible, unbalanced arm and rubbish pre-amp.

Maybe you should talk to them personlly and see what they actually have but about 50% of vinyl purchasers don't play them but only play the MP3 downloads the last album I brought for instance. Some like the object lijke those ****wits that still by books that dont; have videos in them and can;t be easily searched. So people colelct wine in a simmilar way , some colelct cars and put them in sheds and doesnlt drive them to and from work, so what's the point of a car if yuo don;t drive it.


A cheap CD player would be 100 times better, not to mention having to
keep vinyl super clean.

I've managed that with most of my vinyl and mostly unscratched.
Hopefully the picture posters are still their too.


I grew up listening to vinyl and a good record on a decent middle of the
road Gerrard turntable with a very decent but simple amp and again, a
pair of middle but decent speakers, did sound good.


I could easily hear the difference between a ceramic and magnetic
cartridge too.

So, we all know that not everyone from 10 to 100 has the same hearing ability thought their lives.


But it was also a PITA to keep the records clean and having to flip the
record and all that malarky.

Didnlt seem that much hassle at the time but if it was yuo coudl always record what yuo wanted on to a C120, if you were that fussed. I used C90s and how did you listen to music in the car didnlt the needle jump around all over the place.



Now we have a race to the bottom with **** earphones, and compressed to
buggery MP3s.

Or ACC and yuo can pay quite a bit for earphnes same as the old days with speakers.
I've got a pair of Bose QuietComfort 15 for music listening and a £20 earbud if I want to be out and about listening but then it's usually podcast NOT music.
I prefer them to my apple ones.


Personally - I buy CDs and rip (carefully with software that retries
errors rather than skips), then encode lossless, plus a second max
bitrate MP3 for and devices that cannot handle lossless.

Where we should be right now is being able to buy digital lossless media
at better than 44kHz sampling...

Yes and we all should spend at least £50 for a decent bottle of wine in a resturant as with most it depends on the price and what you want.
Most of my MP3s are ACC or MP3 at 192KHz or higher.