On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:35:10 GMT, Doug White
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On 26/12/16 19:12, Michael Black wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2016, Doug White wrote:

For many years now, I have always used the black handle Xcelite
Phillips screwdrivers with the chrome shaft & black tip. I
outfitted my electronics bench with a fresh set a few years ago, and
the #1 Phillips tip is already toast. I took apart a dead stick
vacuum cleaner today that had a dozen screws down in holes, and I
had to get my other #1 driver from my woodworking toolbox to finish
the job. It is also showing signs of excess wear on the tip.

Isn't the issue that there is some Japanese variant of the Phillips
screw, called something else, so while nominally a Phillips fits it,
it's not really a match?

So either you can't open the screws, or it ruins the screwdriver in
the process.

Michael
Are you thinking of a pozidrive screw, if so a Phillips screwdriver
shouldn't be used. See
http://bsfixings.uk/the-difference-b...and-pozi-screw and
http://mechanics.stackexchange.com/q...it-a-bad-idea-
to-
use-a-pozidriv-screwdriver-on-a-phillips-head and others. They're
commonly mistaken and the wrong drivers used with the wrong screw
potentially damages both the driver and the screw.

The screws I was working on this morning appear to be Phillips. At
least there is no sign of the extra cross in the heads. I'm not sure
how common Posi-Drive is these days. I tend to buy most of my hardware
from McMaster Carr, and it's all regular Phillips. They don't even list
Posi-Drive as an option, and they have quite a range of drive styles
available.

It's possible that I've run into some Posi-Drives in the past,

Is the Posi slotted? or is it like a Phillips cross-shape or is it like an Allen square shape or a hex?

but the vast majority of the screws I see these days are plain
old Phillips. I think Xcelite just isn't very careful with shaping
the points on their drivers. Either that, or the screw manufacturers
are making a lot of "Phillips" screws with shallow sockets. Or both..

I was on a job site where woodscrews were being put in and taken out an awful lot. Screw guns with Phillips magnetic screw heads were being used, which would involve many more rotations than with a non-powered Phillips head (which would take longer without the drills magnetic screw attachment). Otherwise, the non-screw gun Phillips would look ten times more worthless having done even near as much as a Phillips magnetic attachment for a cordless drill. '